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Old 29th March 2012, 23:07   #211
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Its not just the pull-rod dude! Gary Anderson and all the old boys have been talking crap while Ferrari has denied any issues with the pull-rod.
Well, its clearly mentioned in the article right?

I quote John Beamer.
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Will Ferrari make the switch back to push-rod this year? Personally I donít think so as it would be a massive admission of failure and the gain either way is minimal.

More likely is a switch back to push-rod for the 2013 car, unless the aero gains become more apparent in the re-design. Ferrariís win in Malaysia makes things a little more interesting as the supposed mechanically disadvantaged pull-rod should not in theory yield benefit on a slippery surface.

However, the story of Ferrariís victory (notwithstanding the tremendous efforts of Fernando Alonso) is in its ability to switch on the tyres in damp conditions better that its competitors, something which the Sauber appears even more adept at.
I just wanted to bring out a good technical article on F1 suspension geometry. I don't believe pull-rods are the main problem. It is just that, the suspension is out in the open and unique to F2012 and so is easy for people to pick on.

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Here is a brief translation of what was tweeted by JoseLuisF1 yesterday on Ferrari's trouble. I am feeling confident that its a fixable issue

BTW, JoseLuisF1 works in the SF Team and he has been reliable informer from Ferrari

The below quote was translated by e34@AtlasF1
I am not able to buy that theory. Active suspension has been banned for a long time. So why would Ferrari take such a huge risk and design everything around it? Or am I missing something here?
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I am not able to buy that theory. Active suspension has been banned for a long time. So why would Ferrari take such a huge risk and design everything around it? Or am I missing something here?
How could you call interlinked corners as active suspension, mate?
It is still passive. Just not legal, as per the FIA.

This is active suspension:
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Well, its clearly mentioned in the article right?

I quote John Beamer.
I just wanted to bring out a good technical article on F1 suspension geometry. I don't believe pull-rods are the main problem. It is just that, the suspension is out in the open and unique to F2012 and so is easy for people to pick on.
Whatever F1Fanatic talks about as pullrod vs pushrod is right, but they dont really have information on how its all put together in the F2012. He is just trying to be philosophical rather than technically speaking about the F2012.

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I am not able to buy that theory. Active suspension has been banned for a long time. So why would Ferrari take such a huge risk and design everything around it? Or am I missing something here?
Well, its not active but REactive suspension is the name given to the concept and its only interlinked suspension not active suspension like what was posted by Nitrous!

I remember posting about the interlinked suspension earlier in the F1 preseason thread here. I was not aware that FIA had rejected it! Its positive that the engineers are bringing a work around to make it legal and also get the concept to work.

Now I am able to see why the F2012 was struggling for traction since the car was built around this concept. Lets hope for a good season for the Scuderia from Barcelone

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Old 30th March 2012, 16:28   #214
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Roads seem to have cleared for Adrian Sutil's return to Formula One as per this story
Sutil drops appeal over nightclub incident - GPUpdate.net
which seems to say that Lotus honcho Lux and Sutil have kissed and made up.
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Well, its not active but REactive suspension is the name given to the concept and its only interlinked suspension not active suspension like what was posted by Nitrous!
I got confused. I recall reading about REactive suspension in pitpass as the next big thing.

Anyways, since the topic is on fixing the F2012, how about fixing the way it looks.

Found this awesome renderings on F1Fanatic blog. These cars do not comply with the current regulations and was a fun exercise by graphic designer Jeremy Hancox.

The livery is breathtaking.
The 2012 Formula One Season-4ferrarif2012livery886x590.jpg

And a very striking Sauber.
The 2012 Formula One Season-6sauberc31livery886x590.jpg

More here: Pictures: Improving the look of the 2012 F1 cars - F1 Fanatic

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The livery is breathtaking.
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And a very striking Sauber.
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More here: Pictures: Improving the look of the 2012 F1 cars - F1 Fanatic
The Sauber looks striking indeed! The F2012 looks like the Marussia cart though
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Supposedly pic of Massa in serious discussion at Ferrari factory.
Looks more like the way out being shown
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Supposedly pic of Massa in serious discussion at Ferrari factory.
Looks more like the way out being shown
That a picture from the starting grid either OZ or Sepang!
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Supposedly pic of Massa in serious discussion at Ferrari factory.
Looks more like the way out being shown
Massa is at the Ferrari facory to spend time with the engineers and analyze what he is doing wrong and how to improve.
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GUYS, ULTIMATE SHOCKER OF THE DAY

Narain replaces Massa at Ferrari. I just can't believe this
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Exclusive: Karthikeyan replaces Massa at Ferrari with immediate effect

Is it the ultimate April fool joke ?? I hope so
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GUYS, ULTIMATE SHOCKER OF THE DAY

Narain replaces Massa at Ferrari. I just can't believe this !!!!

Exclusive: Karthikeyan replaces Massa at Ferrari with immediate effect

Is it the ultimate April fool joke ?? I hope so
Of course it is an April fool joke.
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Interesting article on Mercedes lack of race pace..
Mercedes F-duct is nothing new - Lotus | Mercedes | Formula 1 news, live F1 | ESPN F1
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Not entirely sure if this belongs here

Button takes part in Hawaiian triathlon - GPUpdate.net

1.5kms swim followed by 40km bike ride and a 10km run. Time taken little over 2 hrs!!! That is mighty fit. No one should doubt there prowess as professional sportsmen!
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Well, why is Red-Bull so keen on the Mercedes Rear Wing design.

FIA has already twice clarified that ITS LEGAL.

Is there any signs of Desperation by the team as they are no more the HOT FAVORITES this season..?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98565
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Fernandes lashes out at 'silly' innovations | News | F1 Pulse
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