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Old 13th May 2013, 20:04   #46
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The state of the tires were exacerbated by the fact that drivers drive on marbles after the race is complete to gain weight they would have lost from degradation. Hence the blister like look.
Driving on marbles to gain weight is nothing new. It has been a standard practice for a lot of years and has nothing to do Pirelli tyres.

The reason cars need to gain weight is because they are running on the borderline of the weight regulation and picking up marbles is just a fail safe act of making sure that the car doesn't go below the minimum weight limit.

Did you know F1 drivers lose 2 - 3kgs of their body weight through sweat per race?
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Driving on marbles to gain weight is nothing new.
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Did you know F1 drivers lose 2 - 3kgs of their body weight through sweat per race?
I did not say it is a new practice did I?
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I missed the first 5 or so laps and found it very hard to understand what was going on. But glad that Ferrari got a 1-3. Very happy for Felipe.

To have 5 sets of tyres and still pushing only 90% doesn't read too well for the race.

Brundle also had enough yesterday.

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/...ing-on-a-farce
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AFAIK Pirelli's contract is yet to be renewed for next season, which is apparently making them rethink on a newer compund.
Pirelli's brief was to make racing interesting and ENSURE MORE PITSTOPS took place. F1 was becoming too boring with processions right through and drivers finishing in the order it qualified.

So they are doing exactly what Bernie wanted. Now, there are many teams complaining about tire degradation. Which is valid as it is much more, but only because the FIA wanted it that way.

So Pirelli do not have any worries what so ever when it comes to contract renewal. They have more to lose given how much criticism they are facing worldwide.

Having said that, there have been quite a few tire failures/punctures recently, which they do need to look into.
And they have already admitted 4 stops was a bit much at Spain.

Frankly, I'd rather have Pirelli make the odd mistake by being over aggressive like Spain than the old boring snooze fests with everyone just following each other around.
Making a harder tire which lasts longer is a peace of cake compared to what they have been asked to do.

Tire deg was the last straw I feel, the FIA will never be able to reduce aero dependence, enabling more exciting racing.

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Sorry, 4 stops are about just as bad as the train days of the BS era. This has once again moved all the action from the track to the pits. From very hard to overtake, it's gone to very easy to overtake. There were no real fights then, there are no real fights now. And tyres delaminating is just not acceptable.

While I have always supported Pirelli's but it seems they have thrown in too big a challenge for the teams to handle. Like MB said marginal 1/2 stops should be the goal. And this 2 compound rule is silly. It might have been required in BS era but is pretty useless now.

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Watch the fun at Monaco where overtaking is nearly impossible. No of stops vs tyres!!
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I can easily predict a Mercedes locomotive

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Watch the fun at Monaco where overtaking is nearly impossible. No of stops vs tyres!!
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Sorry, 4 stops are about just as bad as the train days of the BS era. This has once again moved all the action from the track to the pits. From very hard to overtake, it's gone to very easy to overtake. There were no real fights then, there are no real fights now. And tyres delaminating is just not acceptable.
Someone just mentioned on this thread how tough it was to overtake at Spain! With no one risking a move and hard braking on the tires.

The days of hard fighting on track are rare now, all the historic tracks like Monza, Catalunya, Silverstone were designed at a time when cars could follow each other closely on fast corners leading upto main straights.

Now, Tilke & Co need to ensure a kink or a slow corner right before the main straight to ensure cars 'bunch up' a little.

Eu Rouge is being taken flat out for many years now, that once daunting corner is a mere mortal now.

We can complain all we want, but at the end of the day KERS/DRS/tire deg are the best solution available currently (with KERS pretty much negating itself on most occasions)
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Pirelli's brief was to make racing interesting and ENSURE MORE PITSTOPS took place. F1 was becoming too boring with processions right through and drivers finishing in the order it qualified.

So they are doing exactly what Bernie wanted. Now, there are many teams complaining about tire degradation. Which is valid as it is much more, but only because the FIA wanted it that way.
When the season started out, the target was 20 laps on a set of tires on an average. That was always a good idea. You could say that in Barcelona with a 4 stop strategy the average run would have come to 16.5 laps for a set, but it wasnt the true picture right !!
The teams on a 4-stop strategy went for the hard compund as their last set and made it last nearly 20 laps. So how long on an average did the remaining sets last ? Maybe that is the reason we see this hue and cry over the number of stops. Drivers trying to save their tyres even after all these stops. Not cool !!
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I just read this article and I for some reason find myself agreeing with what Paul Hembery has to say.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107415
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When the season started out, the target was 20 laps on a set of tires on an average. That was always a good idea. You could say that in Barcelona with a 4 stop strategy the average run would have come to 16.5 laps for a set, but it wasnt the true picture right !!
The teams on a 4-stop strategy went for the hard compund as their last set and made it last nearly 20 laps. So how long on an average did the remaining sets last ? Maybe that is the reason we see this hue and cry over the number of stops. Drivers trying to save their tyres even after all these stops. Not cool !!
Pl see my post, Pirelli have admitted that they were too aggressive for Spain. My point is that this being F1, everyone can get it wrong at times. Cant hang them for it!
Look at how horribly wrong McLaren/Williams have got it this year. Same thing.

Apart from the opening lap, the next 6 laps produced no overtaking. This in spite of "Mozzarella" rubber. Drivers had to be on tires with different levels of wear to pull off an overtake.

Teams complaining about tire deg are like people stuck in a traffic jam, with each of them looking around cursing the traffic.. not realising they are the ones who caused it!

The brief to Pirelli has drastically changed the sport. Teams know this.
So they can choose to adapt to it with strategy or look at 5 yr old data for a track, crying "But we only stopped twice then" to Pirelli and the world
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I appreciate the fact that Pirelli has been asked to make those round black ones softer all around. But putting 5 sets of tyres for a race and still not being able to go flat out reads very bad. Hope Pirelli doesn't get pushed to the wall to make boring endurance tyres. It is a very fine balance and very difficult to achieve since each track is different. At Monaco for instance, the tyres should last a lot longer.

Maybe the cure for this is to bring refueling back.
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May be, thats the solution.

This is how interesting Qualifying was, not too long back. Now, I watch only the Q3 and that too not until the countdown to 0.00! Bernie is bulldozing the sport to fill his bank account. Paul Hembrey & his Co. should be kicked out!



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