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Old 2nd February 2014, 22:33   #436
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The duration to fix the issue with the Reno powertrain is definitely hard to believe, but I think we have seen the problems with the same during the testing with the vibrations that were felt from the weird noise that the Renos made while testing.

Redbull problems were compounded because of their tight packaging and Daniel has confirmed that Newey is back to his drawing board to get a fix in time for the test in Bahrain. I have a feeling that this year will be dominated by the Mercedes powertrain, lets see. I only hope that the Scuderia boys are in the mix of things

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This is big and the duration needed to fix the problem is hard to believe. Running the power unit at only 75% for the first few recess would mean nothing less than 1.5 second per lap over a race distance.

For red bull the tighter packaging is clearly compounding issues, which is unique to them and should be easier to fix.
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I have a feeling that this year will be dominated by the Mercedes powertrain, lets see. I only hope that the Scuderia boys are in the mix of things
Experts actually feel the Ferrari power unit is the most advanced one :
- They have seamless down shifting in addition to the now standard seamless upshift.
- They saved 3 Kgs on a built in turbo cover on the engine where Merc and Renault have an additional cover.

But impressive miles racked up for the Merc cars at Jerez no doubt.
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With all the confusion on Renaults engine, Lotus absence....im still waiting for the pre-season to start. I wonder how bad it would be for Lotus if the Renault problems are not sorted. Have a evil smile on my face reading about RBR's problems.

I wouldnt look too much into Williams times, they always show well in the tests. Remember the winter tests of 2013? All the experts expected Williams to shine.

Mclaren seem to have a good car....very intriguing design at the rear with those multi layered plates. Adrian Newey reckons its illegal. Start of another double diffuser type saga?

Ferrari have looked stable and the drivers seem quite pleased. Here's hoping that the best driver pairing on the grid are there in the mix to fight for title glory.

Cant wait to see what happens in Bahrain. Should be more indicative on the order form for this season.
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And Rob White confirms the rumor that they are actually lost with the engine development and they are still after root cause while preparing for Bahrain. No correlation between the test bench vs the car is not a good thing.

So after the fix, the Renault teams have to start all over again with testing their cars for system checks, cooling and basic aero before they bring any parts for performance. Sounds bad for Renault teams atleast for 2014.

http://www.crash.net/f1/interview/19...ort-f1-qa.html

Ferrari are bringing performance parts for Bahrain, a new FW, RW and sidepods

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But impressive miles racked up for the Merc cars at Jerez no doubt.
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Experts actually feel the Ferrari power unit is the most advanced one :
- They have seamless down shifting in addition to the now standard seamless upshift.
- They saved 3 Kgs on a built in turbo cover on the engine where Merc and Renault have an additional cover.

But impressive miles racked up for the Merc cars at Jerez no doubt.
Hmm..
According to these experts, Merc is the most reliable but Ferrari more powerful then?

Every article I've read has stated Merc has the most reliable engine so far but no word on Ferraris alleged Power superiority. I thought it was a done fact Merc = Ferrari > Renault. It would be quite an interesting Bahrain(and season) if your sources are correct though Hatari!

On a side note, I must admit It makes me tickle with pleasure on seeing RBR struggle thanks to their packaging issues : P.

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And Rob White confirms the rumor that they are actually lost with the engine development and they are still after root cause while preparing for Bahrain. No correlation between the test bench vs the car is not a good thing.

So after the fix, the Renault teams have to start all over again with testing their cars for system checks, cooling and basic aero before they bring any parts for performance. Sounds bad for Renault teams atleast for 2014.

http://www.crash.net/f1/interview/19...ort-f1-qa.html

Ferrari are bringing performance parts for Bahrain, a new FW, RW and sidepods
That's sad.
You think it will come to Renault powered teams having to re-design their car from scratch?

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Remember the days when Cosworth ran de-tuned V10's for Torro Rosso (2006) whilst the rest had V8's? If something like that happens, Im going to be seriously pied off. Its not a possibility but who knows what the FIA will pull off.
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Remember the days when Cosworth ran de-tuned V10's for Torro Rosso (2006) whilst the rest had V8's? If something like that happens, Im going to be seriously pied off. Its not a possibility but who knows what the FIA will pull off.
Unlikely Fullrevs.
There will be complains, rightfully so, of a two-tier Formula or a three tier one ; )
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Want to take a closer look at McL' brilliant butterfly suspension?

McLaren's butterfly suspension

The design has already been cleared as legal by FIA and now the most interesting part.

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Importantly, McLaren have designed their rear suspension so that these rear wishbones are as much to the back as possible, attaching to the very rear of the gearbox housing. The team have therefore also been unable to combine the driveshaft with the lower wishbones like Red Bull and Ferrari have done. It is exactly this suspension geometry that would make it extremely hard for other teams to simply copy the design, as it would require redesigning the gearbox, the rear suspension mountings and the suspension wishbones, creating a combined impact on aerodynamics and mechanical behaviour that will take time to verify and optimise.
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Sahara Force India to debut with their official GP2 Series team in 2014.
Its in association with Hilmer Motorsports where drivers Facu Regalia and Daniel Abt would don the official team colors & race in the 2014 GP2 season.
Would this mean the young 15yr old KingFisher academy prodigy Jehan Daruwala getting an opportunity to race in GP2 soon? Future does seems bright for Indian Motorsports.
Heres the link:
http://www.forceindiaf1.com/news/det...with-gp2-squad
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Good news! F1 drivers set for sideways headaches during 2014 season

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Formula 1 drivers are bracing themselves for more sideways action than originally anticipated in 2014, after the first pre-season test highlighted some surprise challenges with the new cars.

The higher torque of the V6 turbo engines had already been expected to make life difficult for drivers in terms of causing more wheelspin on the exit of corners.

But the initial feedback from 2014 cars shows that balancing the rear of the car - especially the tyre temperatures - has been made even harder due to other rules changes.

Drivers have found that it is harder keeping their rear tyres in the right operating window because of design changes at the back of the car.

Aids that helped them in the past keep the tyre temperatures up - like the heat from blown diffusers, soft rubber compounds and large rear brake discs - have all been removed.

For 2014, a dramatic cut in downforce, harder compound tyres, exhausts that no longer channel hot air near the tyres, plus smaller rear brakes due to the way energy is now harvested, mean that it is now too easy for the tyre temperatures to fall out of the right window.

When that happens, drivers find themselves battling with a lack of grip and the increased chance of wheelspin and oversteer moments.
Me very likes!!

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What! American interview on F1?

But sit through it and you'll know Allan McNish talks really really well. After all, he drove the Audi R18 e-tron in LeMans and knows a thing or two about electric power and huge torque. Great one!

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Watching drivers control oversteer should be fun.

Merc's engine head recently said that the engines are providing more power than the expected 600 horsepower, and are actually producing ~690 horsepower. So, along with the ERS the total power is ~850 HP, which is almost the same or maybe even more than the V8s with KERS.

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What! American interview on F1?

But sit through it and you'll know Allan McNish talks really really well. After all, he drove the Audi R18 e-tron in LeMans and knows a thing or two about electric power and huge torque. Great one!

Watched it this morning, it was awesome hearing from someone who knows what massive turbo torque and ERS feel like.

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Apparently, Renault had a 100KM track time worth filming day planned at Jerez on Friday, the shakedown was very important that they invited all the customer teams too for the test. And... all they could manage to do was a single lap.
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Apparently, Renault had a 100KM track time worth filming day planned at Jerez on Friday, the shakedown was very important that they invited all the customer teams too for the test. And... all they could manage to do was a single lap.
Looks like there are multiple issues with the Renault power-train and it is looking increasingly difficult for them to be ready before the homologation deadline at the end of February.

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We have seen very little running from the Renault-engined teams this week. What have the issues been? "We have not run enough laps, and when we have they have not been run at an acceptable performance level. The underlying causes are not straightforward: there isnít a single component or system that has caused particular trouble. A number of related things have been troublesome, principally concerning the control and operation of the various sub-systems of the Power Unit within the car.

"For example on the first run day, we had problems with a sub-system within the Energy Store that did not directly concern either the battery nor the operation of the battery Ė it is an electronic part that was in the same housing as the Energy Store. We subsequently had problems with turbocharger and boost control systems with knock-on effects on the associated engine management systems, subsequently provoking mechanical failures."
Renault's Rob White sheds a light on engine issues
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This question answers a more complex issue with the Renault powertrain. Their dyno and track test data are not matching and thats a dangerous situation to be in.

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Why were these issues not flagged up on the dyno?
"We believed our initial configuration was a robust start point for track use but it has not proved to be the case. We have done substantial dyno running in a similar configuration with few issues. We now know that the differences between dyno and car are bigger than we expected, with the consequence that our initial impressions were incomplete and imperfect.

Our intention was to run the car; we are very frustrated to face this litany of issues that we should have ironed out on the dyno and which have deprived us of a precious learning opportunity."
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