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Old 26th May 2014, 09:26   #61
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And the gap between Kimi and Ric before the safety car was some 3.5 seconds which then reduced to some 2.5 secs. I missed the reason for the same, why was that?
Kimi was steadily lapping at 0.2-0.4 seconds off the pace of Mercs ahead while Ricciardo was having some quick laps and then some relatively slower laps, probably letting the ERS recharge. Just before the safety car, RIC had caught up with Kimi and the gap was close to 1 second.

Kimi's Q2 time came from the first run and not the last run like others. So he had to start the race with tyres that were 1 lap older than the rest of the folks around him which slowed him down slightly after lap 25 or so when Ricciardo closed in on him.
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Feel sorry for Kimi suffering a puncture. A rare Monaco GP that I enjoyed, even though it was a parade up front.
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The SFI of Hulkenberg gradually lost pace towards the end and I was biting my nails hoping Button would not overtake him, while towards the end, Nico just lapped almost everyone other than the top 4 (given another lap or so, I think he would have lapped Alonso too).
Those crazy over takings would have been hilarious if not stupid.
Hamilton needs to learn how to lose gracefully. Whatever said and done, he finished second and that it.
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Few significant points in the race IMO :

Drive of the race : Hamilton. No contest. I mean to drive with DIRT in his eye!
Merc were actually getting ready to bring him in.. saw a shot of all the mechanics ready with a new set of tires in the pits!
How much a cry baby is he.. really.

Hulk did 52 laps on the Super Softs!.. doing really well to keep Button behind im at the end. Bianchi too on the Reds.


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But one thing is evident, Kimi is getting more settled down with the FIAT. Alonso will remember the 15 second gap that Kimi managed to pull away in the first stint before the safety car. Its not going to be easy for the asturian from now
Jumping the gun again! What was the difference at the end of the 1st stint.
Clearly Kimi was pushing too hard and was losing buckets of time to let Ric n Alonso catch up.

A few problems for Alonso during the race as well :
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"At the start [the Mercedes drivers] went away and Ricciardo was using a bit of a different strategy, he tried to go a bit slower at the beginning and faster at the end and both things worked quite well for them and he was out of reach today.

"At the end we had some brake problems; the car was only braking with the right brake so we had to hold the car to the left. When you are in that position in the middle of nowhere you just try to bring the car safe home and get these points but obviously we will try to do better next time."

Alonso admits he was initially concerned his first-lap issues might have forced him to retire.

"With the car there wasn't any big problem we just didn't have the pace to challenge the cars in front but had the pace to be in a good margin to the cars behind. Our only problems were the start where KERS didn't work, so I didn't have the power until going through Casino at Turn 3. The McLarens were fighting and also it's not completely a straight so I was lucky no-one else overtook me, and then suddenly the electric motor started working so that was good news.

"I had a good start, a good jump, but then I didn't have any more power to keep going and if I did have the power available I had to brake anyway because I didn't have space. I tried to go to the left at one point but Kimi was doing a good start so there was no place to go. I think it was actually more stressful after Turn 1. Between Turn 1 and Turn 3 I was very, very slow and I was a little bit worried about retiring."


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Funny how Vettel seems to be at the receiving end of lady luck lately. That used to be Mark Webber's domain. Now that Webber has left, Vettel seems to have completely run out of luck. Almost like Webber was Vettel's lucky mascot!
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RIC caught up, but Kimi started responding to that. All the 3 drivers behind the Mercs were at one point doing same laptimes as the Mercedes just before the SC came out. Martin Brundle did mention that too!

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Jumping the gun again! What was the difference at the end of the 1st stint.
Clearly Kimi was pushing too hard and was losing buckets of time to let Ric n Alonso catch up.
That must be a joke, right. From the same article you posted (I have marked them in bold)

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A few problems for Alonso during the race as well :
He is only speaking about his first lap where he had issues with his KERS and the brake issues which was towards the very end of the race, a reason to not being able to catch RIC. But then I am speaking of the next 27 laps that he lost time to Kimi. Alonso never had the pace to catch RIC, but Kimi was matching the Redbull. Even when both Mercs and RIC were pushing very hard through the end of the race, there was one man who put his mark for the fastest lap

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"With the car there wasn't any big problem we just didn't have the pace to challenge the cars in front but had the pace to be in a good margin to the cars behind. Our only problems were the start where KERS didn't work, so I didn't have the power until going through Casino at Turn 3. The McLarens were fighting and also it's not completely a straight so I was lucky no-one else overtook me, and then suddenly the electric motor started working so that was good news.

"I had a good start, a good jump, but then I didn't have any more power to keep going and if I did have the power available I had to brake anyway because I didn't have space. I tried to go to the left at one point but Kimi was doing a good start so there was no place to go. I think it was actually more stressful after Turn 1. Between Turn 1 and Turn 3 I was very, very slow and I was a little bit worried about retiring."

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Even when both Mercs and RIC were pushing very hard through the end of the race, there was one man who put his mark for the fastest lap
Kimi is now one short of Alain Prost's tally of 41 fastest laps in the all-time list. Prost is second in the list which is headed by Schumi with 77.
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Very interesting race. Full of crazy overtaking moves.

Hamilton gave tough fight to Rosberg. Last 15 laps were really exciting when Ricciardo was within 1 second to Hamilton. It must have been really challenging to drive for 15 laps with dirt in the left eye at Monaco’s tight circuit.

Both the Marussias got 5 seconds penalty for out of position on the starting grid. I think the marshals do hold a placard with the car/driver number to help drivers stand at the correct position. So how could they miss their position? Even the engineers/pit-wall missed to inform their drivers about the mistake. Really surprising. Though in the end, Bianchi scored their first points.
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RIC caught up, but Kimi started responding to that. All the 3 drivers behind the Mercs were at one point doing same laptimes as the Mercedes just before the SC came out. Martin Brundle did mention that too!



That must be a joke, right. From the same article you posted (I have marked them in bold)



He is only speaking about his first lap where he had issues with his KERS and the brake issues which was towards the very end of the race, a reason to not being able to catch RIC. But then I am speaking of the next 27 laps that he lost time to Kimi. Alonso never had the pace to catch RIC, but Kimi was matching the Redbull. Even when both Mercs and RIC were pushing very hard through the end of the race, there was one man who put his mark for the fastest lap
On Lap 25, gap to Ric was half a second! Alo was 3s behind him. the initial laps are irrelevant if it clearly shows him pushing too hard and allowing people to catch up towards the end of a stint when pit stops are due.

Fastest lap? really? now your've rubbing salt into his wounds. poor guy.. would have had an excellent result with Mr Chilton.
The Rally move at Loews apart ofcourse!
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What is your source (for the bolded part)? I could only ask you that, it was Pat Fry or Marco?

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On Lap 25, gap to Ric was half a second! Alo was 3s behind him. the initial laps are irrelevant if it clearly shows him pushing too hard and allowing people to catch up towards the end of a stint when pit stops are due.
So Kimi is starting to hurt the Alonso fans, that I am sure now. Cant wait for Canada

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Fastest lap? really? now your've rubbing salt into his wounds. poor guy.. would have had an excellent result with Mr Chilton.
The Rally move at Loews apart ofcourse!

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What is your source (for the bolded part)? I could only ask you that, it was Pat Fry or Marco?
Im going by real race events and how it happened. Do come to the point you are trying to make and not beat around the bush.

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Alonso will remember the 15 second gap that Kimi managed to pull away in the first stint before the safety car
What good is 15s if you lose it all towards the end of your stint?


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So Kimi is starting to hurt the Alonso fans, that I am sure now. Cant wait for Canada
Been waiting for a contest since he was announced, nothing yet.
STILL WAITING for him to come to terms with his setup problems.
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Lol! Not beating around the bush dude, but only trying to figure where the bush is...

You are quoting lot of fancy facts, only problem for me is to find a source. Its ok otherwise

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Im going by real race events and how it happened. Do come to the point you are trying to make and not beat around the bush.
There are lot of parameters that can slow down a driver (tyre graining, fuel usage, drop in ambient temp around the track) and also for a driver to keep pushing as hard as he can because in Monaco you dont know what your chances are.

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What good is 15s if you lose it all towards the end of your stint?
Alonso must have sensed it already in Spain and it hit him hard in Monaco. He should be ready with his 200% at Canada

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Been waiting for a contest since he was announced, nothing yet.
STILL WAITING for him to come to terms with his setup problems.
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Lol! Not beating around the bush dude, but only trying to figure where the bush is...

You are quoting lot of fancy facts, only problem for me is to find a source. Its ok otherwise



There are lot of parameters that can slow down a driver (tyre graining, fuel usage, drop in ambient temp around the track) and also for a driver to keep pushing as hard as he can because in Monaco you dont know what your chances are.



Alonso must have sensed it already in Spain and it hit him hard in Monaco. He should be ready with his 200% at Canada
Chief.. have showed you my sources. The fancy fact title appears to all yours.
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15s diff between Alonso and Kimi in the 1st stint
This was never more than 7s!
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2014/05/2...ix-lap-charts/

Coming back to Kimi's drop off in pace :
You have 3 potential reasons - Fuel, graining, ambient temps.
Fuel - IMO very unlikely to play such a large role in the 1st one third of the race. Fuel mostly comes into play towards the 2nd half of the race. No one saves fuel just ahead of the pit stop window approaches, there was time in the remaining 50 odd laps after he had established track position.
Ambient temps - This has a uniform effect on Alonso as well, who at that point was catching up. So again unlikely to be the cause.
Tires - Graining is Red Bull were faster than Ferrari and Kimi was pulling away from Red Bull, only to lose the gap again. This clearly seems to be the most logical reason. Overdriving and too much tire wear.

Now ultimately it can be really hot chick sunbatching on a yacht who was distracting him.
Thats a story only for his autobiography i assume!

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The spat between Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton is getting uglier. I kinda like what Lauda says at the end. You cannot win being a nice guy! Competition is so cut-throat. Hope it is contained before it goes out of hand. Nice read at the link below...


http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...co-mercedes-f1

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Some lovely videos from track side.

A guy in scooter convincing the guards to enter the paddock


The Mercs sound lovely during FP


The grid and the race start


Ever been to the F1 VIP suite at Fairmont Monte Carlo?
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