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Old 6th October 2014, 00:26   #31
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Jules Bianchi out of surgery- http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/29499545

He is definitely going to be out for rest of this season, I wonder how will it affect his long term career in Formula one. Can't seem to forget Robert Kubica, another great talented driver, Couldn't see what could have been in case he continued in F1.

Hate to see such a talented drivers suffer the crash. Hope he recovers soon and get's back to showcase his talent and skills.
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Overall, I think the racing fraternity was ONE in terms of support for a colleague. What an awesome show of support and concern. You could almost feel the tension in the garages, the champion's rest area, on the podium, everywhere. Even the air horns were muted I would like to think..
Good to know Bianchi is out of surgery. May be recover fast.

Any idea anyone why Hulkenberg was stalled at the Pit exit when the race was terminated? It was lucky if SFI that the race turned out as it did, else I think Hulkenberg would have not made it to the points.
Those mercs were just unreachable.
Poor Alonso. Awesome redbulls. Stupid FIA management and sponsors Honda - with a typhoon coming, they should have made some arrangements for more safety or terminated the race earlier - you could see even the safety car was struggling for grip even at that *slow* speed.
I hope it doesnt occur again.
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The Jules Bianchi incident might have been, IMHO, at least partly avoidable.

Before a recovery vehicle moves from its position to recover a stalled/crashed F1 car, the crew chief must get explicit permission from race control to go trackside and do the recovery. And then they need to be really really quick about it. Permission is normally given to enter trackside when there is a gap in traffic.

Questions raised in my mind - did race control give permission knowing full well (they would surely have known!!) that there was traffic? Also, were the recovery team slow? Did Bianchi know about the double-waved yellow? And, since waved double-yellow implies "slow right down and be prepared to stop", did he slow down enough?

I would have loved to be the fly on the wall in race control during this incident!!

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Unhappy Jules Bianchi Crash Video

I am speechless after watching this Jules' crash video.

http://www.smellmyclutch.com/video-j...i-crash-japan/

His head hit directly on to the tractor's rear bottom. Lucky that the marshal saw the car coming else he would have no more. Don't understand regarding the green flag phenomena in the video.

Anyway all my prayers are with Bianchi. Hope he will pull out of it soon.

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I am speechless after watching this Jules' crash video.

http://www.smellmyclutch.com/video-j...i-crash-japan/

His head hit directly on to the tractor's rear bottom. Lucky that the marshal saw the car coming else he would have no more. Don't understand regarding the green flag phenomena in the video.

Anyway all my prayers are with Bianchi. Hope he will pull out of it soon.

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It's also on YouTube.. Just saw it:


This is insane.. FIA telling everyone there were double yellows! Rubbish.. Green flags waving.

No TV crews showed it.. And now we know why. I hope this is investigated immediately.

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It's also on YouTube.. Just saw it:


This is insane.. FIA telling everyone there were double yellows! Rubbish.. Green flags waving.

No TV crews showed it.. And now we know why. I hope this is investigated immediately.
I just watched the video, it is a very bad crash, his condition is said to be serious, but stable. Hope he recovers soon.
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As Chief Marshal for the first two F1's in India my take on marshal perspective for post #12 at Suzuka.

First the signaling:
Track is divided in to sectors from one flag post to the other. The post at start of sector where incidence takes place waves yellow (if there is danger / blockage) or double yellow (if there are marshals on track side of barricading). The post beyond the incidence waves green.

Incidence:
Sutil's car crashed and bounced back at foot of post #12. At that time marshals there waved yellow and (in some other video/picture).When recovery started they waved double yellow for a time and then when recovery truck moved back and car was before the post (consider direction of track travel) they started waving green. What is not seen in the video is the post #11 which should have been the one waving double yellow (and #10 a single yellow).

In this respect the marshal at post #12 did correct flagging.

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Single yellow flag means danger ahead be prepared to reduce speed
Double yellow means marshals on track proceed with caution

There is no mandate to actually reduce speed by any fixed quantum. Unless you are behind another car in which case you cannot over take him. If he does not reduce speed you can also continue.

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This is my personal observation and is based on limited inputs from videos and race day interpretations.

The driver here seems to have lost control while braking on seeing yellow or approaching a tight curve. Once he is aqua planning then he is on a virtual friction less slide with any braking. Further his car is said to have been in a "jump" over the gravel trap resulting in going to barriers with very high speed.

Please do not blame the marshal for wrong signalling.
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It was a horrific crash, the videos are quite disturbing. The way that heavy tractor gets punted into air by the Marussia is really shocking. That's a 750 KG car lifting a heavy tractor, the forces would have been immense. The carbon fiber air box on the car tore up like cloth on impact. I just hope Jules' helmet didn't have to sustain such a force.

JA on F1 says the reports from French journalists at the hospital last night that Bianchi was “breathing unaided” have not been confirmed by the hospital, nor by the FIA while other media reports suggest that he is on a respirator. And Prof Gerard Saillant, the specialist who attended to Michael Schumacher in Grenoble after his head injury while skiing in December, is on his way to Japan. Saillant is president of the FIA Institute and a close associate of Jean Todt, whose son Nicolas is Bianchi’s manager.

Hope Jules come out of this strong and healthy!

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The attached diagram makes the point clear about marshaling
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The attached diagram makes the point clear about marshaling
Thanks for sharing that sudev. Helps to understand.

What's the procedure for sending a SC out on track? I know its clever to say this with hindsight, but shouldn't the SC be sent out before a tractor is out on track? Especially, an old school track like Suzuka where the run off is quite small?
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That looks horrific, with the crane going in air for a moment due to this impact. Hope he recovers soon.

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Watching that video, he is lucky to be alive. It looked like the cockpit just missed a direct hit with the crane.
I really wonder what the actual injuries are because it looks to be a very heavy impact which happened right next to the driver.

Hoping he is fine.
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Incidence:
Sutil's car crashed and bounced back at foot of post #12. At that time marshals there waved yellow and (in some other video/picture).When recovery started they waved double yellow for a time and then when recovery truck moved back and car was before the post (consider direction of track travel) they started waving green. What is not seen in the video is the post #11 which should have been the one waving double yellow (and #10 a single yellow).

In this respect the marshal at post #12 did correct flagging.

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The driver here seems to have lost control while braking on seeing yellow or approaching a tight curve. Once he is aqua planning then he is on a virtual friction less slide with any braking. Further his car is said to have been in a "jump" over the gravel trap resulting in going to barriers with very high speed.
While the signaling might have been technically correct, MP12 was waving yellow most of the time when recovery was in progress, while the recovery tractor was on the track. They began waving green before the tractor went back behind the barriers. Should they have continued to wave yellow until the tractor was completely clear of the track?

While it is possible that Bianchi might have lost control braking for the double-yellow, I have an alternative theory. The he might have lost control accelerating for the green flag. Drivers' education in Europe teaches that you can begin accelerating when you see a speed limit sign for a higher speed, despite being in a lower speed zone. So the minute Bianchi saw the green flag, maybe he began accelerating - combining regular road driving education and racing instinct?

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Saw those videos once. Didn't have the courage to see it again. It's absolutely horrifying. Having just seen 'Rush' I think Niki Lauda was very brave to quit the wet race. I believe Prost too has quit many wet races.

Now I certainly believe there's no bravery in going for wet races. IMO if you have to use full wets, it's better to stop.

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FIA did make an offer to conduct the race before the scheduled 3 PM not once but twice. It was the race organisers, Honda, whom did not budge.
Then it should not have been an offer. It should have been an order on grounds of safety. Organisers are to blame and that includes FIA.


BTW, who's responsible for moving Malaysian GP time to later in the afternoon (Malaysia time) when it's more likely to rain & lighting might become a problem? Wasn't that based solely on commercial aspects?
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Apparently Honda wanted the seats to be filled before the race starts.
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