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View Poll Results: Who will win the 2015 MotoGP championship?
Marc Marquez 21 15.22%
Jorge Lorenzo 27 19.57%
Dani Pedrosa 1 0.72%
Valentino Rossi 89 64.49%
Others 0 0%
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Old 16th June 2015, 11:16   #226
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Collective effort really. The sponsors play a major role in development. Yamaha got the seamless gearbox this year after such a long delay. May be the money from their new sponsor Movistar helped them speed up the process.The sponsors are so important even to the riders that even after a tough race dripping in sweat and blood pressure still running high they don't forget to immediately don the caps,sunglasses,watches etc with their sponsors names on it. It's funny to see them on the podium photo op trying to push each other ever so slightly so that their sponsors names on their suits don't get blocked by the other rider. They could easily forget this in the glory of being on the podium or winning the race but they don't.So it really shows how important the sponsors are to them.

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meaning when the rider gets back on the gas the power hits hard and, if your rider in on maximum or almost maximum lean when the horses hit, the rush of push loads the front working the tire and, now and then, ends up pushing the front so drastically that it folds. That can either be a crash or a confidence-breaking fright.
Ah that noticable twitch very evident during Mugello race.


Last satellite win in 2006? Wow that's a long way back. Bradl had the best chance in 2014 Sachsenring I think when the rest of the grid almost all of them started from pitlane. That was a funny sight wasn't it? Ha ha immediately brought in a rule change.

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So the heat did indeed get to Marquez. Out of contention for sure this season. Was good to see the Suzukis get in front - perhaps they will do better next season. Crutchlow still seems to be crashing out though there are sparks of a good ride coming along soon sometime.
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This thread & its comments has me, both in splits as well as

Its pretty clear that Jorge can have a very good qualifying & go very fast on cold tires with full tank of gas.

Valentino can't do that, he can ride very fast in the closing stages of races.

Two different formats, right? But it is all about who crosses the finish line first and also is consistent enough, grabs enough point to win the Championship.

So, who has it in him? Of course both of them as well as #93

May the best man win
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This thread & its comments has me, both in splits as well as
Hehee, true that. Thread looks mostly like a Marquez/Rossi/Lorenzo thread. Mayhaps that is why my previous post looks like it was dipped in antiseptic before it was posted up.
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Looking at the results of the ongoing poll, I wonder if the OP incorporated the option of changing one's vote, how (if at all) the vote share would change.
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Old 16th June 2015, 16:21   #231
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This one in Argentina looks more suspicious

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Marquez tried to pull a Rossi "Jerez 2005 move" on him, but we all know what was going to happen. The Doc wasn't going to take it twice(after the Laguna '08 move Marquez pulled on Rossi, where? At Laguna Seca )

Edit: In the Moto2 race, Efran Vasquez pulled the same Rossi move at the final corner to claw back 3rd place..The youngsters are learning, quick and fast...

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The Argentina incident b/w Rossi and Marquez was promptly reviewed by race direction and no issues were found and it was clean.

Marquez almost took out a couple of bikes in the race previous to Argentina and other riders even complained about it. He's generally in a hurry to blast thru the grid in the opening lap itself if he needs to make up places and other riders including Rossi have gone on record saying his all or nothing attitude is not that great and can even be a hazard for others from a safety perspective.

So Marquez is clearly developing a reputation for being just a bit reckless, and this is something Rossi or the other clean racers never had. Rossi has only had very few of these 'racing incidents" in his career of almost 20 years, and MM has had almost the same number in just the last two years or so.

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P.S. Adding further fuel to the fire, I actually think Jorge caused the crash. At that level, at that speed, on that kind of edge, you back off a millimeter, you shift an inch, and its enough to cause what we saw.

Marc's reaction after getting up was not (only) frustration/irritation at himself.
But marquez himself has gone on to tell the world after the crash that it was clearly his own fault.
Marquez: “I tried to give 100 per cent at my home race but I made a mistake trying to push too much”
Sorry but i couldn't read MM93's reaction under all that protective gear

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But marquez himself has gone on to tell the world after the crash that it was clearly his own fault.
Marquez: “I tried to give 100 per cent at my home race but I made a mistake trying to push too much”
Sorry but i couldn't read MM93's reaction under all those protective gear
Sometimes there is an almost invisible grey line between someone from behind pushing too much and the someone in front pushing just that much bit less at just the right place and the right time.

World champions can do it and get away. But to expect me to believe that another world champion right behind does not or did not know it was happening, is stretching my personal bounds of credulity.

Even a local street racer knows when someone backs off, however briefly, minutely.

Or to use the popular analogy of some here, a jockey just knows when the horse in front has been "pulled."

So yes, Marc is probably learning to take his medicine.
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The Argentina incident b/w Rossi and Marquez was promptly reviewed by race direction and no issues were found and it was clean.

Marquez almost took out a couple of bikes in the race previous to Argentina and other riders even complained about it. He's generally in a hurry to blast thru the grid in the opening lap itself if he needs to make up places and other riders including Rossi have gone on record saying his all or nothing attitude is not that great and can even be a hazard for others from a safety perspective.

So Marquez is clearly developing a reputation for being just a bit reckless, and this is something Rossi or the other clean racers never had. Rossi has only had very few of these 'racing incidents" in his career of almost 20 years, and MM has had almost the same number in just the last two years or so.
For the first time, we agree! The race direction gave a clean chit to Rossi for that. During the race it looked suspicious (to the naked eye) that Rossi had changed his line to probably cause the crash. Since Yamaha and Honda had different lines through that corner, Marquez assumed that Rossi would be taking his (Marc's) line which caused the crash. Race direction gave a clean chit since they have various camera angles and data to investigate the crash.

The Catalunya one between Marquez and Lorenzo was not even suspicious. Marquez ran in too hot in the corner and nearly crashed into Lorenzo. There was not even an investigation and nor did Honda ask for one is saying something

Marquez already had a reputation before he set foot in Motogp. May be reckless is too strong of a word, may be rash is right one.

The one with the worst reputation to enter motogp was obviously Jorge Lorenzo, the only rider ever sanctioned to sit out of a race for irresponsible behaviour, courtesy his crash with Alex de Angelis in the Japanese 250, 2005. He certainly seemed to have mended his ways looking at his motogp history.

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But marquez himself has gone on to tell the world after the crash that it was clearly his own fault.
Marquez: “I tried to give 100 per cent at my home race but I made a mistake trying to push too much”
Sorry but i couldn't read MM93's reaction under all that protective gear
Mashblue, you would need to improve your visual skills. Keep an xray machine handy next time! Credulity vs Credibility!

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As mentioned earlier the Argentina crash was analysed and cleared by the race direction. It is a racing incident but only on paper. We all know what happened there.

There are two things which give the event a whole different meaning.
1. Rossi looking over his shoulder to see where Marc would be in the next moment just before he lined up the corner.
2.Marc saying post race - "you always learn something new from rossi" clearly hinting at something here.

In such close battles all you need is rolling off of the throttle just by 5%. If done so then it is in poor spirit.

But race direction cleared it so nothing much can be said about it but clearly there's some suspicion involved.
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Found something interesting things on the lap analysis of the Catalunya Race.

Lap4-Rossi was upto Lorenzo's speed by the second lap
Lap5-12-Lorenzo puts the hammer down. Gains 0.8 sec in these laps
Lap13-15-Lorenzo eases his speed from 1.42.614 to 1.43.XXX. Rossi nibbles away little by little
Lap16-Lorenzo goes slightly faster and Rossi slightly slower resulting in a bigger gain!
Lap19-Rossi makes 0.447 seconds in one lap. Lorenzo wasn't exactly slow
Lap20-Lorenzo responds from a 1.43.092 lap to a 1.42.785 lap
Lap21-25-Rossi nibbles but the gap is too great.

Was Lorenzo saving the tires for the last in this duel? The data tells that he had identified Rossi as the threat from the 4th lap onwards. Lap 12 and 16 says that Rossi probably tried a little too hard and lost a great deal of time. Pulling some gap till 13th lap and then coasting till Lap19 when Rossi gave him a wakeup call and he put the hammer down and put it out of reach.

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Strange things happen in Motogp and the way satellite teams pick their constructors and riders. The moto2 rivals of 2013 Pol Espagaro and Scott redding are totally on opposite machinery in relation to their riding style. Both Herve and Marc VDS got it wrong.

Regarding a particular riding style and the one that suits their ride, Jorge has done an excellent job of transforming the Yamaha to suit him and make him win races. He has transformed the hard braking yamaha of Rossi days to an incredibly efficient high speed corner machine. This is one department neither Honda nor ducati has been able to catch up with yamaha still. Even on a bad day Yamaha will still outperform both Honda n ducati in mid corner speed thanks to Jorge. He holds credit for this, even though Bridgestone sabotaged his biggest strength by bringing a tyre with a new construction supporting more exit grip than mid corner lean angle grip.If Yamaha had continued pushing development for a hard braking chassis setup how rossi likes they would've been blown away by honda's braking stability(no seamless until 2015). Add marc's aggression to it and there was no chance. Yamaha generally struggled in almost all departments except corner speed until 2014. But Jorge realized where their strengths lie and worked on a base setup. That base setup won him the championship in 2012, made him fight until the last round in 2013 losing by just 4 points and riding with injuries.That base setup made him overcome the new tyre construction and be competitive on the highest level in 2014 scoring maximum points in the second half of the season. Even in the first race of 2015, he led the Qatar GP for over 80% race distance until his helmet lining came off.It was his race to lose unfortunately. He was battling flu even before the weekend began in Argentina.Finally he entered Jerez fully fit and since then there has not a been a single who has overtaken him since. Not a single overtake. Such wide lines taken and a clear invitation to dive in but no one had a chance.Such has been the dominance. Utter dominance on a grid so highly competitive. I bow down in respect to such talent. An absolute racing genius.

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Was Lorenzo saving the tires for the last in this duel? The data tells that he had identified Rossi as the threat from the 4th lap onwards. Lap 12 and 16 says that Rossi probably tried a little too hard and lost a great deal of time. Pulling some gap till 13th lap and then coasting till Lap19 when Rossi gave him a wakeup call and he put the hammer down and put it out of reach
You are spot on about saving tyres. I have mentioned it twice before. Only few riders know how to conserve their tyres over a race distance. They notice the slightest misgivings of the rubber contact to the tarmac coming through their yoke,handle bars and grips. That sensation of tyre degradation comes only to some. Jorge had been saving the tyre as the conditions were greasy (+2 sec lead) because if it ever came to a battle he would've had enough to fight back and not fold the front. Jorge knows how to manage a gap and keep something in reserve. Many say if the race was slightly longer Rossi would've caught up only failing to realise his yamaha would've run out of fuel while doing so. The best man won regardless of the futile late charge which bore nothing neither in terms of excitement nor in points. A dominant victory indeed.So dominant that the rossi fan boys who were grumbling about time trialists were forced to speak about race pace and all.

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a few drops of rain on the tarmac & then lets see how brave LORENZO rides,

rain is what is needed in this year's motogp to know who is the REAL rider/racer,

even Pedrosa has overcome his fears of riding in rain,
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