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Old 6th July 2015, 18:30   #31
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My takeaways from British GP:

Mercedes is still enjoying the massive power advantage they have over the other teams. It was clearly evident when Lewis was immediately 2 seconds a lap faster than the leading three who had yet to stop and this cannot be just due to the fresh rubber.

The cars cannot follow another one close behind due to the turbulent wake and over-dependence on the front wing for downforce, which the DRS is not able to overcome. Lewis was flying in clean air compared to trying desperate to overtake the Williams and losing it.

Lewis has matured as a driver. He managed the race well after the initial "adventures" instead of trying till destroying his tyres. He kept cool and drove a phenomenal in-lap and out-lap and made the right call to come in when the rain started to fall coming away from the weekend with the pole, fastest lap and the race win. Maybe a closure for the Monaco fiasco.

Williams' lack of experience at the sharp end might be the reason why they seemed to be waiting too long to make calls to pit both during the first round of stops as well as when the rains came. The street smart Vettel/ Ferrari followed Hamilton’s lead and stopped for the intermediate tyres and the result saw the German jump both Bottas and Massa. Rob Smedley might not have made the same calls if he was in Ferrari pit wall and would have done something different at least for retaining their lead of the race before the rains came.

If Bottas wants to be in a top team, he has to show a bit more "ruthlessness". He could have defended a bit more aggressive against Hamilton and he seemed "mild mannered" after the initial calls from Williams telling him not to race Massa. Not something associated with a "future" champion. His speed in rains doesn't seem lightning quick. He was almost 25 sec. behind the "old man" Massa at the end.

Last but not the least, Honda's lack of grunt might have been the reason for McLaren car being so kind on tyre wear. One point is better than none. Still waiting for the V-TEC to kick in.
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Amazing car control from the German!

https://vid.me/1n0N
Gosh, car control indeed .

We've seen drivers push it in the rain before, but the loss of grip / rear end sliding out didn't come in bursts of power like this. Me thinks its to do with the turbos? When they're spooling, the sudden boost makes the rear tyres lose grip. Notice the points at which Vettel is having to make corrections.

Damn turbos might have made the cars tricky to drive on a wet track.
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He was on the harder slick tires on a damp track chasing the iceman down, add the burst of torque from the turbos

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Gosh, car control indeed .

We've seen drivers push it in the rain before, but the loss of grip / rear end sliding out didn't come in bursts of power like this. Me thinks its to do with the turbos? When they're spooling, the sudden boost makes the rear tyres lose grip. Notice the points at which Vettel is having to make corrections.

Damn turbos might have made the cars tricky to drive on a wet track.
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Gosh, car control indeed .

We've seen drivers push it in the rain before, but the loss of grip / rear end sliding out didn't come in bursts of power like this. Me thinks its to do with the turbos? When they're spooling, the sudden boost makes the rear tyres lose grip. Notice the points at which Vettel is having to make corrections.

Damn turbos might have made the cars tricky to drive on a wet track.
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He was on the harder slick tires on a damp track chasing the iceman down, add the burst of torque from the turbos
The Iceman does have a lot of hard work to do in the coming days if he is to stay at Ferrari.



Here is the fan video of the spin that FOA cameras "did not capture" at Silverstone.
Not the same level of car control as in the other video, maybe.

Source: http://wtf1.co.uk/raikkonen-spin-silverstone/
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Last but not the least, Honda's lack of grunt might have been the reason for McLaren car being so kind on tyre wear. One point is better than none. Still waiting for the V-TEC to kick in.
Brilliant tail-piece !
Yep, they can plonk the Amaze's diesel engine and have better reliability I think.
The McLaren this year is quite different compared to last few years more so because of Peter Prod. All they need is good running to have the data for their simulations. They have been quite aggressive with their design.
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We've seen drivers push it in the rain before, but the loss of grip / rear end sliding out didn't come in bursts of power like this. Me thinks its to do with the turbos? When they're spooling, the sudden boost makes the rear tyres lose grip. Notice the points at which Vettel is having to make corrections.

Damn turbos might have made the cars tricky to drive on a wet track.
The "drivability" of these cars are something that is being discussed a lot now a days. Seeing how the PU components are interconnected, it is apparent that the turbo boost is not the only reason for the sudden bursts of torque that we see now a days with these machines. Managing the turbo lag/ boost alone will be child's play for these drivers.

Here is the mimic for this years PU from the tech. regs.
2015 British F1 GP Race Thread-pu-energy-flow.png

The control systems are still being refined and there is a lot to gain in terms of drivers' confidence on the cars' response as the energy flow in between all these components of PU can be managed much smoother, at least for some teams.

From what information is available in the public domain it is believed that while going through a corner the MGU-K charges the battery not only during braking, but also when accelerating. If the driver goes on the accelerator pedal, there is an abundance of torque from the engine as the ICE is kept within the ideal rev band in terms of efficiency. The MGU-K is switched to generator mode and works against the engine to control the torque supplied to the wheels. That energy is stored in the ES. On the straights the energy storage is then used to avoid peak fuel consumption on the ICE. It saves more fuel than you injected before during the initial acceleration.
There was an argument that at many races MGU-K action during the main braking phases alone would not use all the storage quota and there was a view that in principle MGU-K recovery power to ES should be increased/ unlimited to encourage energy recovery/ efficiency.
The bottom line is that even the F1 teams are asking "kitna deti hai?"

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The MP4-30 going off for a run on the Filming day at Silverstone today.
There is something about the sound of this car, many are trying to put a finger on.
It doesnt sound like any other car on the F1 grid.
And Arai san continues to be bullish on the project. Interesting times ahead.

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FIA is not waiting for next year to improve the show, at least during starts - that is.

Source:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ne...vealed-by-fia/

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Technical directive TD/017-15 – titled “Start Practice and Start Procedures” – reveals that the FIA will address the matter of clutch bite points from both a technical perspective, and via the expected clampdown on radio traffic.

From now on, the clutch bite point may not be changed from the time the car leaves the garage for the first time after the pit lane is open ahead of the race, until after the start lockout period that commences following the beginning of the grand prix.

In addition to this, the FIA wants to limit the ability of the teams to help drivers find the right bite point for the clutch.

From Spa, bite point finder activation by the driver has to be inhibited by disabling any driver button or switch associated with that function.

The FIA adds that the “bite point update from the bite point finder should be disabled by setting BBitePointFinderUsed to zero.”

Fresh radio clampdown
The FIA has also clarified the first indications of the radio clampdown that is being introduced to ensure drivers do not receive as much coaching from the pit wall.

The TD adds that all pit-to-car communications during any reconnaissance or formation laps will be limited to safety and sporting information, so in other words there can be no discussion of start procedures.

Whiting makes it clear that the only information that will be tolerated is on safety grounds – such as a critical problem with the car, a puncture warning or damage, or an indication of a problem with a competitor’s car.

Furthermore, he will allow an instruction to enter the pit lane in order to fix or retire the car, marshalling information (for example yellow flag, red flag, race start aborted or other similar instructions), information regarding a wet track, oil or debris in certain corners, or the need to swap position with other drivers.

The latter could happen if a driver is late away from the dummy grid.

The FIA says it regards any other message to be a breach of Article 20.1 of the Sporting Regulations – which could result in a penalty.
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Gosh, car control indeed .

We've seen drivers push it in the rain before, but the loss of grip / rear end sliding out didn't come in bursts of power like this. Me thinks its to do with the turbos? When they're spooling, the sudden boost makes the rear tyres lose grip. Notice the points at which Vettel is having to make corrections.

Damn turbos might have made the cars tricky to drive on a wet track.
I don't think the turbos work like how it is in road cars. I have read in technical forums that the MGU-H unit is used to keep the turbo spinning at a optimum level in case the exhaust pressure is not enough to do it.

So essentially the boost is always available and considering that an average turbo starts spooling at 2K rpm in normal cars, it is not hard to imagine that the turbo is always working in a high rpm F1 car.

Ferrari have issues with the engine maps as such. It reflected in Kimi's spin in Canada. They might have to get a more efficient map to lay down the power more efficiently.

Remember Vettel/Kimi complaining about drivability out of certain corners? All to do with the way the power is delivered.
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Ferrari have issues with the engine maps as such. It reflected in Kimi's spin in Canada. They might have to get a more efficient map to lay down the power more efficiently.

Remember Vettel/Kimi complaining about drivability out of certain corners? All to do with the way the power is delivered.
To think that the Iceman has to defend all the muck delivered by the Italian press for something he did not do is terrible.
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To think that the Iceman has to defend all the muck delivered by the Italian press for something he did not do is terrible.
I think Arrivabene is playing the media against Kimi. He mentioned that Ferrari designed the car to Kimi's taste after he said so. He came in Nov-Dec period and considering there are not much changes to the rules, it is strange to imagine that Ferrari would have not designed the 2015 challenger already. Not to mention the possibility of them doing a good job in 4 months period

They have a problem with putting heat into the tires as well. The car is smooth on its tires and it helps in extreme conditions like Malaysia.
But post that, there has not been any 3-stop races nor any extreme conditions as well for Ferrari to exploit it.

Given that, I would believe they would work hard to get past that slight advantage and rather get more heat into the tires quickly. Will help greatly in qualifying and also to come up to top speed faster in the races as well.

By the time Ferrari get their tires working in the race, Mercedes are 4-5 seconds in the front and stay there comfortably. Problem is accentuated in Med/hard tires for the circuit.

Lets see what they do in Hungary. Hoping for a heat wave there for Ferrari to be back with a bang.

All that said, the car is leagues ahead of the 2014 one with only a pitstop error and a car issue preventing a 9/9 podium places this year.
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I think Arrivabene is playing the media against Kimi. He mentioned that Ferrari designed the car to Kimi's taste after he said so. He came in Nov-Dec period and considering there are not much changes to the rules, it is strange to imagine that Ferrari would have not designed the 2015 challenger already. Not to mention the possibility of them doing a good job in 4 months period
You are right. He has been doing this from some time..."Kimi is not really an Iceman, He is sensitive..."
"Kimi's future is in his hands"
"When it rains, it's the driver who has the final call to the pits,"
and then finally "What I want now is for Kimi to remain calm so he can do his job"

Blowing hot and then cold in the public media with the biased Italian media favouring Vettel ? They did it for Massa and now it's Kimi.

This guy is destroying one of the last remaining non-stereotype corporate drivers, the last remaining ones with balls of steel.. my spite for the Red Team just got worse.

He should quit Ferrari and drive for Force India, they handle their drivers a lot better.

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The FIA concluded its World Motor Sport Council meeting today in Mexico City.

The WMSC has approved the rule adjustments proposed by the F1 Strategy Group and approved by the F1 Commission. These are:

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- The simplification of the power unit penalties, ensuring that the most a driver can be penalised is to be demoted to the rear of the grid – this will eliminate penalties during the race for these infractions.

- New power unit manufacturers to F1 will receive an extra power unit for each driver to use throughout Grands Prix for the season, bringing the total to five – one more than the existing power unit suppliers. This will be applied retrospectively to Honda.
These changes to the sporting regulations will come into force with immediate effect. Now the ball is in Honda's court.

Source: http://www.fia.com/news/world-motor-...il-2015-mexico

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Our Silverstone champ, got invited to the Royal box at Wimbledon but denied entry for not wearing a jacket and tie! Hahahaaa
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Details of manual starts during races explained. Looks like it will come into effect from the Belgian GP:
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The FIA has issued a new technical directive to Formula 1 teams clarifying how it will ensure drivers are "solely responsible" for grand prix starts, AUTOSPORT has learned.

After last week's Strategy Group meeting, the FIA said it would implement stricter limitations on driver aids and coaching with "a particular emphasis on race starts", coming into effect from the Belgian Grand Prix.

Team were given the directive, a copy of which has been seen by AUTOSPORT, on Thursday.

It reveals how communication and settings changes will be limited between cars heading for the grid and the start of the race to ensure drivers are not excessively assisted with finding the correct clutch set-up.

From Spa, the clutch bite point may not be changed from the moment the car leaves the garage for the first time after the pitlane has open until after the race has started.

A manual bite point offset switch can be used after the race has started.

The FIA informed teams the bite point finder activation by the driver should be inhibited by disabling any driver button or switch association with that function.

The governing body has also outlined its clampdown on radio communications with the driver during reconnaissance or formation laps.

Communication will be limited to that on safety grounds such as a "critical" problem with the car, including a puncture warning or damage, or a warning of a problem with a competitor's car.

A driver may also be told to pit in order to retire the car or fix damage sustained.

Teams can inform drivers of marshal warnings, such as yellow or red flags, or information from race control such as if a race start has been aborted.

Passing on information regarding a wet track, oil or debris in certain corners or instructions to swap position with other drivers is also permitted.

Should teams disobey any of the above, it would be considered a breach of article 20.1 of the sporting regulations and would result in a penalty.

At present, teams are able to instruct drivers throughout the start build-up process, including offering feedback on potential changes between practice starts on the formation lap and the actual grand prix start.

Reigning F1 world champion Lewis Hamilton recently dismissed suggestions that drivers get too much help in the car, saying it would not affect the way he drives if communication was reduced.
Source: Autosport
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