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Old 2nd September 2015, 00:11   #61
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More claims from Honda claiming they are 25BHp ahead of Renualt. Any one have speed trap data from Spa?
Honda were well behind Renault im sure.

I wonder if this claim refers to only the ICE.
It's all irrelevant except from the technical point of view, but the data is here anyway since you asked.

The lap 34 that ALO did earned him the 5th fastest lap time of the race. Not bad for a car that finished so low in the order.
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ALO features high in this list of max. speed in some sectors as well. fastest over the finish line in the entire race, probably while doing the Lap34.
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In the best sector times also ALO features high in S2, just behind the Mercs.
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Unfortunately the speed trap figures are published officially for the Qualifying session only. Here the order seems "normal", but probably due to Honda not having a "quali mode" mapping for their PU yet.
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Seriously, not trying to mean any offence. Mclarens going through the field at the start and then fall back looks a bit like this Smart drag race

Haha. Good one.
Have seen quite a few of the "Comical Arai" posts across various forums and you dont sound offensive at all compared to some of those.
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The lap 34 that ALO did earned him the 5th fastest lap time of the race. Not bad for a car that finished so low in the order.
I think you are reading way too much from the fastest lap data. The lap came on soft tires, on his first full racing lap after he his last stop. Among those who had soft tires for their last stint, Alonso's FL is faster than only the Saubers who were 2-stopping and ran 5-6 laps longer in their last stint.

For a more apples to apples comparison, Max Verstappen also ran a 3-stopper and had his last stop on the same lap as Alonso. His first full racing lap after his stop (lap 34) was about 0.26s faster than Alonso's. In fact, his first 4 full racing laps (laps 34-37) were all faster than Alonso's fastest lap (lap 34) by at least 2-tenths.
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I think you are reading way too much from the fastest lap data. The lap came on soft tires, on his first full racing lap after he his last stop. Among those who had soft tires for their last stint, Alonso's FL is faster than only the Saubers who were 2-stopping and ran 5-6 laps longer in their last stint.

For a more apples to apples comparison, Max Verstappen also ran a 3-stopper and had his last stop on the same lap as Alonso. His first full racing lap after his stop (lap 34) was about 0.26s faster than Alonso's. In fact, his first 4 full racing laps (laps 34-37) were all faster than Alonso's fastest lap (lap 34) by at least 2-tenths.
I think the fact that the STR is able to sustain the speed where as McLaren manages to string just one decent lap together and the rest of the laps being much slower shows that Honda's problems are ERS related while they have a decent ICE. More specifically, the doubts that the MGU-K/MGU-H units are not capable of delivering the full power cannot be true. Its the consistent harvesting of the power especially MGU-H that is the problem for Honda. And it seems that the issues may not be solved this year, but most likely during the winter break.
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F1 group issues statement in support of Pirelli

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The lap 34 that ALO did earned him the 5th fastest lap time of the race. Not bad for a car that finished so low in the order.
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Unfortunately the speed trap figures are published officially for the Qualifying session only. Here the order seems "normal", but probably due to Honda not having a "quali mode" mapping for their PU yet.
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I think you are reading way too much from the fastest lap data. The lap came on soft tires, on his first full racing lap after he his last stop. Among those who had soft tires for their last stint, Alonso's FL is faster than only the Saubers who were 2-stopping and ran 5-6 laps longer in their last stint.
Thanks, so Alonso was 14kmph behind the Merc's on Quali top speed..which is an improvement over earlier this season. The race top speeds are misleading ofcourse due to DRS etc.

I do not read much into Alonso's fastest lap time as Honda have a ERS deployment issue (as well), I imagine they they have charged over 2 laps and then deployed in 1 lap for this lap time.
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Thanks, so Alonso was 14kmph behind the Merc's on Quali top speed..which is an improvement over earlier this season. The race top speeds are misleading ofcourse due to DRS etc.

I do not read much into Alonso's fastest lap time as Honda have a ERS deployment issue (as well), I imagine they they have charged over 2 laps and then deployed in 1 lap for this lap time.
Honda's ERS issue fix might need more tokens than available for this year.
Looks like 2016 might be a better bet for a competitive Honda PU.

EB was quite honest in admitting the pitfalls of the PU and Chasis in a recent interview with crash.net
http://www.crash.net/f1/interview/22...interview.html

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So where do you see McLaren now? Spa was tough and Monza threatens to be a hard circuits despite the new engine…

Eric Boullier
Yes because it is quite difficult to explain to fans. It's not just the power, the engines are very complicated in terms of energy recovery. So what I mean by this, you have an engine, which is an internal combustion engine, and an electrical power engine. If you can properly manage the energy, because we have limitations per lap, you can use both of them to maximum. At Spa, we were lacking a little bit of power on combustion engine but we can't use 100 per cent of our electrical power which means it is a big hurt for us. To give you an idea here, we can't use it on the two straight lines and not even in the full straight line. When we know, Renault and Ferrari and Mercedes use it in all the straight line, in full.

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Much is said about the Honda power unit, but what of the McLaren chassis? How do you rate it?

Eric Boullier
We don't claim we have the best chassis. We know our chassis is better than last year's chassis. So this means we have improved but we keep in mind that we have completely changed the concept of the car. I wanted to have a bit of time and commitment for where we go, not changing the car every year out of the blue. We need to have some consistency, this is the key to success. So in this first year, if our chassis is better than last year's car, then it is supposed to be at its best in two or three years, not before. So this is why this is not a bad chassis. Now if you go into absolute performance on track, we are not the best chassis, Mercedes Red Bull and Ferrari are – but we are catching up.
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