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Old 3rd November 2015, 15:05   #31
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Did Kimi push Bottas out of track? No. Lot of drivers do much worse and that's apparently allowed.

Since you bring crowding rule here, look at this incident from Valencia 2012 where Maldonado was penalized for colliding with Hamilton. It's pretty clear that Hamilton pushed Maldonado off track which actually triggered the contact when Maldonado reentered the track. Hamilton wasn't penalized but Maldonado was.


Anyway, my post was to highlight inconsistent application of rules.
Kimi didnt push him off track, but did drive into him for sure!

On Maldonado, I dont think there is ever a case to defend him! attempting a move after going off track!
Going wide is not punished, the Nico vs Lewis first corner incident is proof enough.

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A picture you may not want to see... There is no space for another car there! Kimi messup in Russia, its now Bottas!

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Dont know what the screen shot signifies, it is a few frames before the contact.
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That was very warm indeed, thanks

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You could see Kimi well ahead and starting to turn in already, Bottas was hardly there but with half of his car outside the track determined to not give up

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Dont know what the screen shot signifies, it is a few frames before the contact.
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That was very warm indeed, thanks



You could see Kimi well ahead and starting to turn in already, Bottas was hardly there but with half of his car outside the track determined to not give up
Always am!
Being ahead is irrelevant, as Bottas is alongside.

I quote from the FIA's sporting regulations 2015 :

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20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.
For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is
alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.
Bottas's front wing was well past Kimi's rear wheel.

I think he would have been happy with only half the space, but kimi thought even that was too much!

Just like the earlier left hander when Bottas didnt turn into him, kimi should have done the same.
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Alongside, only by getting off the track limits. Both his right side wheels are out of the white line! There is no space for him to get alongside otherwise!

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Always am!
Being ahead is irrelevant, as Bottas is alongside...
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Alongside, only by getting off the track limits. Both his right side wheels are out of the white line! There is no space for him to get alongside otherwise!
According to the rules, 2 wheels inside the while line is in. Had he overtaken without the incident, it would have held good.
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Really!

20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his.
Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.


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According to the rules, 2 wheels inside the while line is in. Had he overtaken without the incident, it would have held good.
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Really!

20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his.
Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.
Are you trying to prove my point to me? I am already convinced about it. So were the commentators & the stewards.

The above is written in context of the driver doing the defending.
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Well, I don't get you! What was your point?

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Are you trying to prove my point to me? I am already convinced about it. So were the commentators & the stewards.

The above is written in context of the driver doing the defending.
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I was writing in support of Bottas, and that he was well alongside Kimi and within track limits (2 wheels inside the white line).
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Alongside, only by getting off the track limits. Both his right side wheels are out of the white line! There is no space for him to get alongside otherwise!
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Really!

20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his.
Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.
He wasnt off track, 2 wheels being on track is well within track limits.
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