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Old 14th December 2016, 19:39   #106
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There are rumuors that Mark Webber could be driving for Mercedes for 2017 on an
one year contract.
This will also help Mercedes to coax either Vettel or Alonso for 2018.
Since 2017 is an year of development, having an experienced driver will help Mercedes
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There are rumuors that Mark Webber could be driving for Mercedes for 2017 on an
one year contract.
This will also help Mercedes to coax either Vettel or Alonso for 2018.
Since 2017 is an year of development, having an experienced driver will help Mercedes
Actually Mercedes seem to be interested in Bottas. Bottas is managed by Toto Wolff's company and Wolff was instrumental in Williams signing him. He would be an ideal driver.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/38282791

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Great for Williams and Mercedes has also moved fast and how!

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Just when you thought the silly season couldnt get sillier!
Will the team be called Williams-Lowe next year?

This cant be true..
This is amazing. Paddy was instrumental in Williams shift to active suspension and other onboard electronics back in 1992.

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Some rumors and bits and pieces of info are trickling out regarding the next year's cars. Also some general info.

Some people say Fernando was not very impressed by the simulator run of MP4-32 at Woking yesterday. In any case they are still supposedly simulating with the 2016 Honda PU and not with final 2017 aero spec as well. Lots more to come.

Vettel had earlier gone on record after driving the mule car, saying the tires are similar to this year but with a little more grip. That they have similar properties and is not as big a change as he expected.

Someone who just attended a seminar by Andy Cowell, the Managing Director of AMG High Performance Powertrain had some interesting tit-bits to say.
  • Mercedes power units are not going to break 1000bhp for at least the next 18 months. Presently 900+ hp is what he said.
  • Their engines runs so lean they are concerned about NOx emissions.
  • Despite the fuel limit increasing (105 kg), they're going to try to stay under 100 kg per race as they believe it to be a step backwards and if they succeed, they're going to make sure everyone in F1 knows that at Abu Dhabi.
  • There's going to be a board meeting this Friday about replacing Rosberg, with their target drivers likely being formally announced next week.
  • They are genuine in their fear of Red Bull next season despite Horner downplaying their progress.
  • Honda are not using the second combustion chamber technology (TJI) yet. Ferrari adopted it in mid-2015 and Renault in mid-2016. (Rumored to be part of the PU upgrade package they could not complete in time or did not go according to plan in 2016. Hence utilized the last few tokens for reliability and weight loss etc.)
  • The torque controller makes over 40 trillion computations per race.
  • The chief engineer for the turbocharger had no prior experience in developing turbos when they were recruited. AMGHPP wanted someone with an open mind and great enthusiasm, the person they chose climbed Everest... twice.

Source : https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/co...dy_cowell_the/

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The FIA had noticed how the 2016 season's fortunes changed due to mistakes during the 2016 season race by poor getaway during starts. The regulations for clutch systems next year will encourage even more errors.

Regulations for 2016 allowed a double paddle system behind the steering wheel to operate a single clutch where as previously, the teams used to have two paddles for separate clutches to try and eliminate the variables that change the bite point of the clutch. But teams have had a few tricks up their sleeves such as keeping 2 paddles as a means to find an optimal bite point. Although the paddles operate just one clutch, the trick was for the driver to find the optimal bite with the first paddle when the first red light appears Ė setting the car ready. Once the last light went out, both paddles were released at that optimal bite point. This did rely on the driver successfully operating the first paddle and in essence, the system returned to a similar launch as before 2016. However, not all drivers 100% successfully nailed the procedure, as demonstrated by Hamilton on some occasions.

Also, during practice sessions, teams used to record where the clutch bite points were relative to temperature at each race. This information was then marked as a reference point on the steering wheel giving drivers the ideal paddle position at race start.

All of this has been eliminated now for 2017. No reference points on the steering wheel are allowed and only one paddle on the steering (If more than one, both have to be identically mapped). The driver must therefore feel how much torque he wants to transmit, via the hand on the clutch and foot on the accelerator pedal. Hopefully, we could see either the engine speed falls or the rear wheels spin during starts due to driver errors.

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9.2 Clutch control :
The following applies only to the main drivetrain clutch or clutches, any clutch used exclusively as part of an ERS is exempt.

9.2.1 If multiple clutch operating devices are used, they must all have the same mechanical travel characteristics and be mapped identically.

9.2.2 Designs which allow specific points along the travel range of the clutch operating device to be identified by the driver or assist him to hold a position are not permitted.

9.2.3 The minimum and maximum travel positions of the clutch operating device must correspond to the clutch fully engaged normal rest position and fully disengaged (incapable of transmitting any useable torque) positions respectively.

9.2.4 Designs or systems which in addition to typical inherent hydraulic and mechanical properties are designed to, or have the effect of, adjusting or otherwise influencing the amount, or rate, of engagement being demanded by the FIA ECU, are not permitted.

9.2.5 The amount by which the clutch is engaged must be controlled solely and directly by the driver with the exception of :
a) Stall prevention.
b) Gearshifts.
c) Bite point finder where brake pressure, wheel speed and driver clutch demand safeguards are used.
d) De-clutch protections.
e) Drivetrain protection on the track outside of any start lockout period or immediately following stall prevention activation only.
f) Test signals enabled only when the car is connected to the garage system.
The relationship between the clutch operating device in the cockpit and the amount of clutch engagement may be non-linear but must remain fixed.

9.2.6 When the clutch operating device is released from its maximum travel position it must return to its resting position within 50ms.
The maximum delay allowed, computed from the respective signals as recorded by the ADR or ECU, between the clutch driver control input signal and the corresponding output demand being achieved is 50ms.

9.2.7 Any device or system which notifies the driver of the amount of clutch slip or engagement is not permitted.

Maybe more overtaking will occur at turn 1, lap 1 next season.
Maybe the increased downforce from the bigger diffuser at the rear will encourage close racing. However, the dependence on bigger front wings might negate the ability of cars to get sufficient downforce while in the turbulent wake of another car.

Will be interesting to see what the new rules will bring at Melbourne.
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McLaren seems to be in the news for all wrong reasons lately.

Jost Capito set to leave McLaren, even before he started working there in earnest.
Probably has more to do with him being a Ron Dennis recruitment.
Now that Ron is out, there is a shake up happening in the management structure.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...-leave-mclaren

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This cant really help the team in fighting back to the top when the management is in disarray. 4 months left to the season and people don't know who their bosses are.

Ferrari have announced that their 2017 challenger will be launched on Feb,24th. 2016 GP2 runner-up Antonio Giovinazzi has been given the 3rd driver duties for the team. One of the very few Italians to be involved in Ferrari's F1 programme.
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This cant really help the team in fighting back to the top when the management is in disarray. 4 months left to the season and people don't know who their bosses are.
Hopefully it will not affect the car design team as this all on the commercial side.

Reminds me of ex ferrari man Marco Mattiacci.
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Finally some clarity on Mercedes driver line-up.
Williams are taking in Massa with Bottas moving to Mercedes.
This is a win win for both Mercedes and Williams.

Williams get an experienced and familiar driver for their new car for an year which will see a lot of regulations changes and at the same time reduction in engine fee (could be worth close to 17M Euros) from Mercedes in exchange for Bottas.
Bottas will be a firm second favourite at Mercedes which will please Hamilton and reduce any potential tensions in the team

Valtteri Bottas set for Mercedes and Felipe Massa poised to re-join Williams

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Wow! That's some fortune for Massa.

He got the Williams F1 car as a retirement gift and then get to drive for 2017 as well.

But, its not reading too well for the team. I wish Williams had shown a bit more aggression while picking a driver for the new season. Massa got some 30 points less than Bottas last season and that's a very big deal for a team stuck mid table after all the exploits in 2015.

They should have picked a young driver! What's there to lose?
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Wow! That's some fortune for Massa.

He got the Williams F1 car as a retirement gift and then get to drive for 2017 as well.

But, its not reading too well for the team. I wish Williams had shown a bit more aggression while picking a driver for the new season. Massa got some 30 points less than Bottas last season and that's a very big deal for a team stuck mid table after all the exploits in 2015.

They should have picked a young driver! What's there to lose?
Williams sponsor Martini (an alcohol company) did not want two drivers under 25 as it will not reflect well for their marketing campaigns. This and the waiver of engine fee from Mercedes was the key motivation to bring in an experienced driver. Massa has already spent three years with Williams and knows the team quite well, so this was an easy choice for them.
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I have mixed feelings about Massa coming back to F1. Bottas seems to be the best choice for Mercedes given that the other drivers are locked/dedicated to their contracts. But in my opinion, I think Carlos Sainz Jr. would have been a good fit for Mercedes.

Yes, I am aware of Helmut Marko's dictatorship and regimes in running RedBull and STR, but Sainz to Mercedes would have made room for GP2 Champion Pierre Gasly. Danil Kvyat deserves a second chance, so can stick around at STR. Sainz moving up to the senior RedBull team looks very unlikely in the near future. Staying in STR beyond 2017 will hurt his career.
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Williams sponsor Martini (an alcohol company) did not want two drivers under 25 as it will not reflect well for their marketing campaigns. This and the waiver of engine fee from Mercedes was the key motivation to bring in an experienced driver. Massa has already spent three years with Williams and knows the team quite well, so this was an easy choice for them.
Also heard that Stroll's contract has a clause which ensures an experienced driver on the other seat.
For enabling him to learn the ropes and also to ensure no loss of face in case of being beaten by another rookie.
Money talks in any case.

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I have my doubts on Massa returning. But then again, he was never a Tendulkar or a Sampras in his sport.

His tweet seems to suggest that he's gonna think about it during his family vacation.

Somewhere I feel that the 14mn which Williams will save in engine fees with Bottas going to Mercedes might spill over to Massa. Initial offer was 8mn which apparently is negotiated to the entire engine amount of 14mn.

Also, it might be a single year contract for Bottas stated as a "loan" because Vettel / Alonso are free from 2018 onward.

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@avdhesh15: Totally agree with you. Massa has already said his goodbyes. Coming back would be very strange and a desperate move.
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Did Williams also cut a deal with Mercedes for Paddy Lowe who is rumored to be moving to Williams in a senior technical role for next year. This has led to Pat Symonds quitting the Williams team.

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The Williams Formula 1 team's chief technical officer Pat Symonds will leave the team at the end of this year.

Symonds, 63, has been Williams's technical boss since joining the team from Virgin Racing - now Manor F1 - in mid-2013, with Williams saying he signed a three-year contract when he arrived.

In his first full season after joining, 2014, Williams finished third in the constructors' championship, a feat it repeated in 2015. But this year the team slipped to fifth in the table, behind fellow independent Force India.

Symonds' departure comes amid strong rumours that Paddy Lowe, executive director (technical) of Mercedes, is due to switch to Williams, in a senior technical role.
In a statement confirming the move, deputy team principal Claire Williams said: "Pat has been a tremendous asset to this team over the past three years.

"Pat's appointment was the start of a major restructuring exercise, and he has been pivotal in reshaping Williams into what is a much stronger racing team today.

"I would like to thank him for all of his hard work and commitment during that time.

"We now look to the future and will be announcing details regarding the team's technical leadership in due course."

Symonds, an aerodynamicist by training, has been a leading F1 engineer since the early 1980s, when he joined the Toleman team.

He remained with the team when it was taken over by Benetton in 1984, staying on again when it became a Renault 'works' entry for 2002.

As executive director of engineering, Symonds remained a central figure at the Enstone-based squad when its success peaked with back-to-back drivers' and constructors' titles with Fernando Alonso in 2005 and '06.

He had previously worked with F1 champions Ayrton Senna, Michael Schumacher and Nelson Piquet, as well as numerous race winners including Giancarlo Fisichella, Jarno Trulli and Gerhard Berger.

Symonds' Renault career was marred by his involvement in the 2008 Singapore GP crash scandal, for which he was suspended from F1.

This ban was later overturned, with Symonds receiving compensation and permission from the FIA to return to a full-time role in the sport.
Source: Autosport

I don't think Symonds is leaving because Lowe is coming to the team. Think Williams just didn't extend the former's contract. Lowe should bring in some top engineers from Mercedes and his earlier stint at Mclaren.
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