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Old 3rd August 2007, 18:02   #2041
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One of the most boring tracks on the calendar. Lets hope the weather livens things up for us.
Just like last year ... or was it the year before that when the rain gods decided to spice up things !!! Otherwise .. see the first two laps and then take a nap only to wake up 2 laps before the ending .... unless theres rain !
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Old 3rd August 2007, 18:02   #2042
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Surprise Surprise! Rookie Kubica leads the timesheets after the first free practice!

1. KUBICA BMW 1m22.390s
2. MASSA Ferrari 1m22.519s
3. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m22.540s
4. ALONSO Mclaren 1m22.585s
5. HAMILTON McLaren 1m22.654s
6. HEIDFELD BMW 1m22.891s
7. ROSBERG Williams 1m22.983s
8. BUTTON Honda 1m23.294s
9. BARRICHELLO Honda 1m23.601s
10. R SCHUMACHER Toyota 1m23.802s
11. DAVIDSON Super Aguri 1m24.102s
12. TRULLI Toyota 1m24.318s
13. WURZ Williams 1m24.321s
14. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m24.474s
15. KOVALAINEN Renault 1m24.733s
16. VETTEL Toro Rosso 1m24.905s
17. FISICHELLA Renault 1m24.920s
18. LIUZZI Toro Rosso 1m24.976s
19. SATO Super Aguri 1m25.307s
20. WEBBER Red Bull 1m25.584s
21. SUTIL Spyker 1m26.332s
22. YAMAMOTO Spyker 1m28.118s

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But, he was on qualifying tyres
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Kimmi would be on fire.. He gonna blast out.. Hope that Ferrari give him a reliable car this time.
Be carefull with those words...Cause nowdays when you say kimi will be on fire actually means HE BLEW HIS ENGINE UP!!!...McLAREN gave him a good car...he managed to screw that up...Even Ferrari gave him a good car..he screwed that up too..
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Default Prac Two Results!

01 F. Alonso McLaren 1:20.919 29 laps
02 H. Kovalainen Renault 1:21.283 39 laps
03 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:21.338 32 laps
04 N. Rosberg Williams 1:21.485 40 laps
05 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:21.517 37 laps
06 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:21.589 29 laps
07 F. Massa Ferrari 1:21.620 39 laps
08 G. Fisichella Renault 1:21.698 36 laps
09 J. Trulli Toyota 1:21.857 35 laps
10 R. Kubica BMW 1:21.906 37 laps
11 R. Schumacher Toyota 1:21.912 29 laps
12 A. Wurz Williams 1:21.987 35 laps
13 M. Webber Red Bull 1:22.325 28 laps
14 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:22.483 33 laps
15 A. Davidson Super Aguri 1:22.510 41 laps
16 J. Button Honda 1:22.550 47 laps
17 T. Sato Super Aguri 1:22.556 42 laps
18 R. Barrichello Honda 1:22.727 29 laps
19 V. Liuzzi Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:23.136 42 laps
20 S. Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:23.148 39 laps
21 A. Sutil Spyker F1 1:23.673 34 laps
22 S. Yamamoto Spyker F1 1:26.307 29 laps

Source: Home - Planet-F1 News - Formula One News, German Grand Prix Live, Lewis Hamilton, Pit Babes, Test Reports, Galleries & Live Coverage... from planet-f1.com
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It's gonna be Kimi no doubt. With Alonso and Hamilton on the podium with him.
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Ferrari have to attack and McLaren cant have any more reliability issues. With BMW close on heels, the latter part of the season is going to be action filled!

This week looks too close to call. The circuit is similar to Monaco in terms of downforce requirements and Mclaren were faster in Monte Carlo by a mile. But, things have changed since and the warring team bosses will want their drivers to dish out the same on the circuit. Fun times, these..
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No doubt it should be kimi.. Hope the car is reliable, can't guess another driver who can push the car to it's limit as he does.. Go kimi Go
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Looks like Ferrari and Mclaren are sandbagging.A Renault being .3 sec off Mclaren and both Ferrari cars way behind shows exactly that.
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Default Qualifying Results

01 F. Alonso McLaren 1:19.674
02 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:19.781
03 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:20.259
04 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:20.410
05 N. Rosberg Williams 1:20.632
06 R. Schumacher Toyota 1:20.714
07 R. Kubica BMW 1:20.876
08 G. Fisichella Renault 1:21.079
09 J. Trulli Toyota 1:21.206
10 M. Webber Red Bull 1:21.256
11 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:20.718
12 H. Kovalainen Renault 1:20.779
13 A. Wurz Williams 1:20.865
14 F. Massa Ferrari 1:21.021
15 A. Davidson Super Aguri 1:21.127
16 V. Liuzzi Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:21.993
17 J. Button Honda 1:21.737
18 R. Barrichello Honda 1:21.877
19 T. Sato Super Aguri 1:22.143
20 S. Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:22.177
21 A. Sutil Spyker F1 1:22.737
22 S. Yamamoto Spyker F1 1:23.774

As if the spying saga was not enough of an issue,the king of inocence and the claimed victim of everyone's envy has pulled out a jewel.The Whiner has struck.
He purposefully blocked hamiltons pit stop.Now what do people have to say about him? This is similar to what Michael was accused of doing in Monaco,but more pathetic as it was done to his own team mate.Way to go

itv.com/f1 - Alonso takes controversial Hungary pole

Formula 1 : News MCLAREN - F1-Live.com

Qualifying: Alonso cheats his team-mate to pole - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com

autosport.com - F1 News: Alonso leads all-McLaren front row

Formula One news: Alonso steals controversial pole from Hamilton - GPUpdate.net Formula One

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Well i think there not much to be said about Alonso's tactics..i think its totally fair,Compare that to what Msc has done in the past...
Surely this is Alonso's race..with virtually no overtaking and 1 ferrari out..well almost,not talking about Massa..its Kimi,Iam sure hes going to goof up somewhere.The only other being HAmilton who Happily settles for 2nd or 3rd everytime leaves only alonso with NO.1

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Fair for you maybe,you dont play such tatics with your own team mate and be called fair.Whatever MS did is past,you dont compare 2 dirty tricks and say one is fair compared to another,both are dirty and this was a dirty trick(not cheating as such) and whether the Finger Boy fans agree or not just shows the double standards .

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I think everyone is going overboard here... yes it seems like Lewis was denied an opportunity to better his position, but we still haven't heard from the team as to why Alonso was asked to wait. Infact Alonso did not give any explanation for the hold-up and said that it was for the team to answer. So it would be a mistake to point fingers so early.
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lonso stripped of the Hungarian Pole




Lewis Hamilton will replace Fernando Alonso on pole position for Sunday's Hungarian Grand Prix after a stewards' investigation into a qualifying incident between the McLaren teammates.

McLaren have also been pre-emptively stripped of any constructors championship points they might earn from the race.

FIA officials were moved to investigate the chain of events which saw Alonso claim pole position after waiting in front of Hamilton in the pits for 30 seconds ahead of the pair's final qualifying runs.

The delay meant that when Hamilton returned to the track he did not have enough time to respond to Alonso's final quick lap.

After a marathon deliberation, the FIA stewards found Alonso and McLaren guilty of acting improperly in holding up Hamilton.

McLaren explained that they held Alonso in the pits for twenty seconds with Hamilton waiting behind because they were waiting for Alonso to have an opportunity of a traffic-free lap.

Mindful of the fact that there was only one car on the track at the time in question the FIA stewards dismissed the explanation.

"The actions of the team in the final minutes of qualifying are deemed prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally,"said the stewards in a statement addressed to McLaren boss Ron Dennis.

Also swept aside was Alonso's feeble excuse that he waited in front of Hamilton for a further ten seconds because he was checking whether the correct tyres had been fitted to his car.

The stewards find that he (Alonso) unnecessarily impeded another driver, Hamilton, and as a result he will be penalised by a loss of five grid positions, added the statement.

Alonso's punishment cannot be reversed but McLaren have made it known that they plan to appeal against their constructors points penalty. They have until Tuesday to state their case.


Formula 1 : News ALONSO - F1-Live.com

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Hmmm.. This makes the race more interesting
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Thats not all fellows,Mclaren will be docked of all points scored in Hungary.Now that is harsh,very harsh.I think they used the "Bring sport into disripute" clause.Mclaren can appeal though.One thing is proved though,that Mclaren has no integrity.Alonso can play dirty if things dont go his way.

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During the final minutes of qualifying, the car driven by Fernando Alonso remained in its pit stop position at the completion of his pit stop notwithstanding the fact that his team-mate Lewis Hamilton was waiting immediately behind him to commence his own pit stop.

The delay prevented Hamilton from being able to complete his final flying lap of qualifying.

The team principal, together with the team manager and both drivers, were called before the Stewards and asked to explain their actions.

Reference was made to video and audio evidence. The facts and the explanation given by the team are as follows:

At the commencement of the third period of the qualifying practice it had been agreed within the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes Team ("the team") that Fernando Alonso would leave the pit exit ahead of Lewis Hamilton in order to benefit from the possibility for purposes of fuel burn allowance of being able to complete an additional lap.

In the event, the car driven by Lewis Hamilton arrived at the pit exit before that of Fernando Alonso and when the pit lane opened he left in front of Alonso.

The team required Hamilton by radio communication to allow Alonso to pass in order that he might endeavour to complete his extra lap.

Because of the proximity of the Ferrari driven by Kimi Raikkonen, however, Hamilton declined to allow Alonso to pass despite repeated requests from the team to do so.

Reference to the radio communications passing between the team and its two drivers shows that the team told Hamilton at 14:56:44 to "box this lap" and required him to do a "hard in-lap" but advised him some 32 seconds later to "slow the pace a little, just lose a couple of seconds before the end of the lap because Fernando is pitting in front of you".

At 14:57:34, just 18 seconds later, Alonso was told that when he pitted "we are going to hold you for 20 seconds".
At 14:57:46 Alonso's car arrived at his pit stop position, his tyres were changed and the jacks removed just 6 seconds later.

The car then remained in position from 14:57:52 to 14:58:12 when the signal known as the "lollipop" was raised indicating that the driver was free to leave.

By this time Hamilton's car had arrived and stopped immediately behind that of Alonso.

Alonso, instead of leaving his pit in order that his team-mate Hamilton could complete his pit stop, remained in position for a further 10 seconds.

He then left the pit lane in sufficient time to reach the Control Line before the end of qualifying, completed a flying lap in which he set the fastest time and secured pole position.

Because of the delay caused by Alonso, Hamilton was unable to complete his pit stop in time sufficient to enable him also to complete a flying lap.

The team were asked to explain why, having indicated to Hamilton that he must stop at his pit on the next lap, they then informed Alonso whilst he was still on the track that when he also pitted on the next lap he would be held for 20 seconds.

The team stated that they frequently give estimates as to duration of pit stop to their drivers before they pit and that the reason the car was in fact held for 20 seconds was that it was being counted down prior to release at a beneficial time regard being given to other cars on the track.

Alonso was asked why he waited for some 10 seconds before leaving the pits after being given the signal to leave. His response was that he was enquiring as to whether the correct set of tyres had been fitted to his car.

When asked why this conversation did not take place during the 20-second period when his car sat stationary all work on it having been completed, it was stated that it was not possible to communicate by radio because of the countdown being given to him.

Reference to the circuit map shows that at the time Alonso was told he would be held for 20 seconds there were but 4 cars on the circuit, his own and those of Fisichella, Hamilton and Raikkonen.

All but Raikkonen entered the pits such that there can have been no necessity to keep Alonso in the pits for 20 seconds waiting for a convenient gap in traffic in which to leave.

The explanation given by Alonso as to why at the expiration of the 20 second period he remained in his pit stop position for a further 10 seconds is not accepted.

The Stewards find that he unnecessarily impeded another driver, Hamilton, and as a result he will be penalised by a loss of 5 grid positions.

The explanation given by the team as to why they kept Alonso stationary for 20 seconds after completion of his tyre change and therefore delayed Hamilton's own pit stop is not accepted.

The actions of the team in the final minutes of qualifying are considered prejudicial to the interests of the competition and to the interests of motor sport generally.

The penalty to be applied is that such points (if any) in the 2007 Formula 1 constructors' championship as accrue to the team as a result of their participation in the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix wilt be withdrawn.

The team is reminded of its right of appeal.

source:itv-F1

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