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Old 10th September 2008, 13:03   #2911
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At least F1 is being hotly discussed again. A little bit of dispute is good, only that the school teacher attitude of the stewards is irritating. They should come in only if there is a definite infringement of law. It was not as if Kimi was going comfortably for a win (after it started raining). In fact, I think he was actually quite odd in his actions just after Hamilton slowed down to let him pass. I could see no logic for him moving out of line. And then later he seemed to be simply frustrated and pushed his car too hard and spun out. The rest of the race though, he was simply outstanding.
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You're kidding right? Or are you referring to the last three or four laps as the entire race?

Did you watch the entire race?
I mean the last couple of laps. I'll admit I didn't watch the live telecast as it was too early for me (8 am in Canada) but I did watch the repeat telecast.
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Good point mate!

Probably the British media would write that the chicanes in all circuits have been constructed by Ferrari along with FIA to slow down other constructors in F1 to gain advantage.

And Hamilton need to not take the chicane any more!

Its an evident fact that Hamilton cut the chicane deliberately to gain advantage. He was punished for that. Get over it and move on.

Ferrari has much better things to do in F1. Its all the losers to Ferrari in F1 who built this conspiracy theory that 'F' stands for Ferrari in FIA.
You seem to miss a crucial point here. It's not just the British media, but also the French and German media as well. In fact, it's only the Italians who are standing by the stewards' decision.

A lot of drivers before have gained positions before by cutting chicanes and/or corners but as long as they've given their positions back, the FIA has had no problems with it.

I find it really sad that despite of all the deliberate cheating by Ferrari and their "affiliates", some of the tifosi will never admit it's wrong. I mean I love cheering for my favourite team and drivers during a race, but it is a wonderful feeling when your team wins the race FAIR and SQUARE, and not through some other means. I guess you need to be the bigger man here and own up to your favourite team's shortcomings once in a while.

I think that's why I stopped cheering for Ferrari once Michael Schumacher's antics started from the 1997 season onwards.

I also repeat again that despite McLaren confirming with race control twice that Hamilton's move on Kimi and him letting Kimi pass by was legit, the stewards still had to penalize them for no apparent reason.
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I mean I love cheering for my favourite team and drivers during a race, but it is a wonderful feeling when your team wins the race FAIR and SQUARE, and not through some other means. I guess you need to be the bigger man here and own up to your favourite team's shortcomings once in a while.

I think that's why I stopped cheering for Ferrari once Michael Schumacher's antics started from the 1997 season onwards.

I also repeat again that despite McLaren confirming with race control twice that Hamilton's move on Kimi and him letting Kimi pass by was legit, the stewards still had to penalize them for no apparent reason.
Brilliantly said !
Such things are very bad for a professional sport like F1, its is just adding the frustrations.
And my friend you know there won't be any outcome of this appeal, these guys will again decide against the move and will put Mclaren into greater risk for making an appeal.

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How many more handme downs are Ferrari going to accept in F1?

Granted that the Stewards have the right expertise, however common sense prevails.

If LH did take an advantage intensionally, why did he give back the lead? Maybe he should have gone through the racing line and taken out the Ferrari ala Shumie style.

Looks like this year too LH may not be able to get that illusive Championship.
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I have a funny feeling that Hamilton would be given the title, but not until the last race. Why do i feel its all a setup by Bernie!
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I have a funny feeling that Hamilton would be given the title, but not until the last race. Why do i feel its all a setup by Bernie!
Hmmm that is nice guess !
looks like the stewards don't know what they are doing, now they are commenting like Italy loves us and UK hates us
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I have a funny feeling that Hamilton would be given the title, but not until the last race. Why do i feel its all a setup by Bernie!
I am cynical about this too. Quite a possibility.
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Any updates on the FIA verdict and if / when it would be out?

Looks like the ones with the Ferrari avatars on this thread are not giving up on the 'Unfair Advantage' bit. Forget the team colors.

Driver gets a position advantage, deliberate or not. The regulation states that he has to relinquish that position, which he did.


Watch 1:30 - 1:50 on this vid - would kimi get penalized for that if he finished the race. honestly?

Anyway, I think Hami straightlined it a bit too much and took on Kimi too quickly. He should have just waited for couple of more corners.

Verdict would be that the decision stands unchanged!
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Anyway, I think Hami straightlined it a bit too much and took on Kimi too quickly. He should have just waited for couple of more corners.

Verdict would be that the decision stands unchanged!
Exactly I just saw the video on F1.com in slow motion and that's exactly what I thought. Youl could clearly make out that even though Hamilton let Kimi go he had the gas down before kimi came out of the corner and was already accelerating. The only thing he did was go into kimi's slipstream which made it look that he let kimi pass.
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Cannot spell Ferrari without F I A … FerrArI
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You seem to miss a crucial point here. It's not just the British media, but also the French and German media as well. In fact, it's only the Italians who are standing by the stewards' decision.

A lot of drivers before have gained positions before by cutting chicanes and/or corners but as long as they've given their positions back, the FIA has had no problems with it.

I find it really sad that despite of all the deliberate cheating by Ferrari and their "affiliates", some of the tifosi will never admit it's wrong. I mean I love cheering for my favourite team and drivers during a race, but it is a wonderful feeling when your team wins the race FAIR and SQUARE, and not through some other means. I guess you need to be the bigger man here and own up to your favourite team's shortcomings once in a while.

I think that's why I stopped cheering for Ferrari once Michael Schumacher's antics started from the 1997 season onwards.

I also repeat again that despite McLaren confirming with race control twice that Hamilton's move on Kimi and him letting Kimi pass by was legit, the stewards still had to penalize them for no apparent reason.
Last year the so called angels of Mclaren made cars from a 780 page document. Who are the cheating s**mbags?

Angel Whitmarsh appologised that Mclaren were developing Brake and Hydraulics from the Ferrari books without the knowledge of the top manaement in Mclaren. Who are the cheaters here? (Read from Autosport archives, I am tired of posting the link a lot more time here)

All the losers to Ferrari and its "affiliates" cry deliberately about a conspiracy which is not present anywhere and want Ferrari to be called the Cheats! Look at yourself Mclaren boys before you call Ferrari the cheats. Bunch of cheaters who stole from Ferrari who couldnt beat them on track. Remember the Mclaren cars in 2005 and 2006. We were calling them Fireworks on track with the number of engine blows and failures. Post stealing from Ferrari, they are now bullet proof. I remember the quote by Ron in 2004 when he said "The Mclarens are not red enough to go Fast". I got the point in 2007 when he stole the Ferrari specs. Shame!

I thought where all the Mclaren folks would hide their faces when they were caught for stealing and cheating last year. I am surprised there are still a lot present who can still blame Ferrari as cheats! Get over it and wait for Monza!
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Let us not turn this thread into another Ferrari v/s Mclaren arguement. This thread is for discussing the races and results. Please stick to the topic.

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Ross Brawn has been buttering him up too, but considering Hondas lack of pace, I don't think Fonso would consider. If he moves away from Renault, it will be for a top team only.
How wrong could I have been! Rumours heating up that Fonso is moving to BMW. Announcement on Monday. Though BMW is quick, I don't see them as a championship contender for 1 - 3 years. Bad move for Alonso.....changed like 3 teams in 3 years! And what if a Ferrari seat becomes available for 2010?

His driving skills are unmatched within the current breed of drivers. Only wish he had the same judgement outside of the car.
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Though BMW is quick, I don't see them as a championship contender for 1 - 3 years. Bad move for Alonso.....
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I beg to differ sir , with "KERS" coming in from next year it will be a different ball game altogether, Ferrari have already mentioned they are struggling with developing the car for next year, i have my money on Mclaren (they are the only ones with full control/knowledge/insights into the standardized ECU) and TOYOTA (they have made huge advancements into the "KERS" field .I think it is still too early to predict the future champ teams.
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