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Old 16th October 2008, 01:22   #3391
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can we please keep this clean by not calling drivers by dubious names?
Good idea. Don't you think so?
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Yeah it is. Why don't you edit my earlier post to make it say Hammie there?
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By looking at where he is right now, do you think he will be satisfied by people looking at the charts and seeing him a lap down?
That too, when Alonso was just ahead of him presenting a good chance to prevent that from happening?

If one prefers to keep on looking at negative points alone, then only negatives will appear. No matter what!
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autosport.com - F1 News: Raikkonen: McLaren duo cost me Fuji win

Well! Not the first time though Mclaren have ruined somebody's race.
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By looking at where he is right now, do you think he will be satisfied by people looking at the charts and seeing him a lap down?
That too, when Alonso was just ahead of him presenting a good chance to prevent that from happening?

If one prefers to keep on looking at negative points alone, then only negatives will appear. No matter what!
If there are only negative things about a driver to look at?

The way he tried to unlap himself aggressively looked too childish and in other words cheap ego which is not going to get him anywhere!

I cant imagine how this kid would act if he happens to win a Championship. Now that we see him do all these cheap things even after a lot of goof ups and feels himself to be the Moral Champion.



Probably Mclaren would fit him with an Italian Stebel air horn to warn his fellow drivers like they did fix those funny head lamps to Ramilton's car for the Singapore GP.
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Do you have to pull out every driver comment from every website and post it on this thread. And not just the driver, but from every other newspaper and sports website of the world?

Isn't it quite obvious that Kimi said that? What else would he say, he screwed up?

Keep in mind that Kimi had plenty of chances to pass Kubica (who was in an inferior car) and if possible Alonso but he did not take it, so end of story. We don't know what was going on in his mind or maybe he's just plain rubbish this season.

I mean I used to be a big Kimi fan in his McLaren days because he was this aspiring driver who had the potential to beat Michael Schumacher but was mostly bogged down by an unreliable car or simply bad luck. But now he's just plain lazy and has pretty much given up from about midway this season.

If I were a true Tifosi (thank god I'm not), I'd wholeheartedly support Massa. He is now what Kimi was in his McLaren days.

Anyway back to Hamilton, I think there is too much media pressure on him, especially from the British press and even Ron Dennis, and him being inexperienced, he's unable handle to all that, and hence all the recent mistakes. Last year his performance was much better, since he was a rookie and other people had zero expectations from him and he had nothing to lose.

I really hope he doesn't turn out to be another Jacques Villeneuve in the long run.

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I cant imagine how this kid would act if he happens to win a Championship.
Why imagine?
See it for yourself in the next race!

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Yes, Kimi was mediocre this season, though he had the fastest car in the grid, he couldn't utilize it to the max!
Maybe, he has taken his place at Ferrari for granted!

Now, Massa has a real good chance to win the 2008 Championship!
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France GP out of 2009 season?
autosport.com - F1 News: FFSA cancels 2009 French Grand Prix

There're cracks appearing out of nowhere!
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The track was boring anyways
Read somewhere that Montreal might be getting its place back since the government has got involved in FOM's decision now.
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France or Canada, it would be better to have 18 races in place of 17. It is so hard to pass a weekend without some action.
Hope something like Valencia doesn't make it unless there're some good changes made to accommodate overtaking opportunities.
What say?
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Do you have to pull out every driver comment from every website and post it on this thread. And not just the driver, but from every other newspaper and sports website of the world?
Its a discussion forum and its fair as long as I dont use any copyrighted content here!

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Isn't it quite obvious that Kimi said that? What else would he say, he screwed up?

Keep in mind that Kimi had plenty of chances to pass Kubica (who was in an inferior car) and if possible Alonso but he did not take it, so end of story. We don't know what was going on in his mind or maybe he's just plain rubbish this season.
Kimi did screw up in a lot of occasions this season. BUT, in Fuji he got the best start ever and he had every chance to win after getting that good start. It was then ruined by the 2 Mclaren which hit Kimi. He took a damage in his front wing and if you notice in the race, the front right frisbee which was supposed to stay fixed in one position was rotating with the tyre and this would defenitely affect the performance of his car.

Now who is/was responsible for Kimi to lose this race?

Btw! The BMW is not an inferior car and it has got a competetive straight line speed compared to the Ferrari & Mclaren. Kimi could do some overtaking moves on Kubica during the last stint only because Kubica had tyre graining problems. Please read the post race press conferances which would give you more light about what the drivers went through during the course of the race.

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I mean I used to be a big Kimi fan in his McLaren days because he was this aspiring driver who had the potential to beat Michael Schumacher but was mostly bogged down by an unreliable car or simply bad luck. But now he's just plain lazy and has pretty much given up from about midway this season.
This criticism has been already flying around from his Mclaren days and as always and he doesnt care. He is going to spend around 9000KMs of testing with the 2009 car this winter testing. That is like 30 Races in a month. You still think he is lazy? And the efforts of Kimi is something that is not being talked about by everyone and he is thought to be the laziest on the grid.

He had his difficulties due to the characteristics of the F2008 which has an understeering nature to preserve its tyres. Massa & Kimi have different driving styles where Kimi likes a lot of oversteer and Massa likes to live with an understeering car which suits Massa very well. And the characteristics of the car's design is not something that you could change overnight!

Well, now I feel its a waste to discuss all these as we have just 2 more interesting races to end this season.

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Anyway back to Hamilton, I think there is too much media pressure on him, especially from the British press and even Ron Dennis, and him being inexperienced, he's unable handle to all that, and hence all the recent mistakes. Last year his performance was much better, since he was a rookie and other people had zero expectations from him and he had nothing to lose.

I really hope he doesn't turn out to be another Jacques Villeneuve in the long run.
And this media pressure is all that he called for himself. Remember after the Canadian GP there was lot of criticism flying around in the British papers and Hamilton was openly calling for support from the British Press. His inexperience off track probably made him to do so!

I just hope he stays and helps us discuss more things like this
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That too, when Alonso was just ahead of him presenting a good chance to prevent that from happening?
Alonso had just overtaken him LOL. Hamilton was having blue flags waved at him continuously before that. Lucky they didn't dock him 10 places for the Chinese GP starting grid for reacting (deliberately) late to the blue flags.
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Isn't it quite obvious that Kimi said that? What else would he say, he screwed up?
I hope you saw the same race as the rest of us because, I didn't see Kimi screw up anywhere during the duration of the race. The fact is, his winning bid was over in the first corner itself. Did you hear the post race conference? If you did, you'd have heard Kubica himself saying that there was simply no room for Kimi to have passed him in those tyre graining laps.
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There's no rule saying you can't unlap yourself. So whether one finds Hamilton's move childish or not dosen't really matter. Also, it is quite evident that Alonso had slowed down on the last lap. How else can you explain Hamilton pulling away from him after unlapping himself.
Remember one more thing. If you are on the same lap as the leader you get to finish the full quota of laps. If you are a lap down, you don't. Hamilton's idea was right. If a car ahead of him failed to finish, he would gain a place.
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Hamilton's idea was right. If a car ahead of him failed to finish, he would gain a place.

But it was pointless for him as it would never fetch him a single championship point.
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