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Old 17th February 2005, 02:39   #1
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Thumbs down New F1 rules...nonsense

Guys, just have a look at the 2005 rules that FIA has laid down!!!Its absolutely nonsense I feel. Formulas 1 is all bout going fast with reliability but the new rules doesnt support that ideology much...Im really not impressed. What do you guys say bout this???

Formula One rule changes for 2005

February 15, 2005 10:27 IST

Formula One will look very different this season due to rule changes.
The following details what to look out for at the first race in Melbourne on March 6:


ENGINES


Engines must now last for two races, rather than just one, with any unscheduled change resulting in a 10-place penalty on the starting grid. That will put a premium on reliability.

"Every second grand prix is going to be tough, particularly Malaysia where we'll all be stepping into the unknown," says Williams' Australian driver Mark Webber.

The change is aimed at cutting costs and improving safety through reduced speeds. A two-race engine should be less powerful than one designed for half the distance.

QUALIFYING


Qualifying will be held over two days, with the final session on Sunday morning. The Sunday and Saturday times will be aggregated.

This will mean more action for the crowd at the circuit on Sunday but the starting grid and pole position will not be decided until shortly before the race.

AERODYNAMICS


Front wings have been lifted by 50mm, to reduce downforce, while the rear wings have been brought forward 150mm relative to the centre line between the rear wheels.

The diffuser at the rear becomes shallower, at around 40 percent the height of 2004 levels.
The changes, intended to cut downforce by about 25 percent to slow cars on safety grounds, should make cars 'twitchier' to drive and more spectacular to watch with less grip.

"The focus in the factory has been to recover that downforce and obviously it won't be until the early races of the season that we'll see how well each team has done," said Williams' co-owner Patrick Head.

Testing has seen teams experiment with innovative aerodynamic parts, notably McLaren with a horn-like wing on the engine cover.

TYRES


Tyres must last for qualifying and the race. The reason being that harder, and therefore more durable, tyres will reduce cornering speeds.

This means that pit stops will look very different, with fewer mechanics involved as cars take on fuel without tyre changes, and will be less frequent.

Tyres can be replaced in the event of a puncture or damage caused by debris, but not at a refuelling stop.
Drivers would previously have changed tyres two or three times during a race, after around 70 to 100 km, in carefully orchestrated pitstops.

They must now last around 350km.
All drivers will be allowed three sets of the same specification tyres for Saturday and Sunday. One will be used for Saturday practice, another for qualifying and the race while the third set is held back in case of a puncture.

"The driver who can look after his tyres best, and has the feel for how to maximise tyre performance over a full race distance, will undoubtedly gain a performance advantage," says Renault's engineering head Pat Symonds. "I think we will see a change in the rhythm of races this year."
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Old 17th February 2005, 10:19   #2
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it looks more like an endurance race rather than formula 1.
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Old 17th February 2005, 10:55   #3
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Well Engine rule is just not going to help all F1 drivers and all fans like us. And most important that penalty rule....

On otherside, New tyre rule might see some action during Pit stops but at the same time we might see many cars retiring early in the race.

Still if you want to see +ve side for we Indians..
Not sure if it was today or yesterday but read in paper , Narian K. clocked 2.5 sec. behind best time in Barcelona practise session. with this timing he is already in last grid, So for him this 10 position penalty wont matter



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+1 on what iceman feels.....

Man, its going to take the fun out of the race!! Now these guys wont push the limits as much as they used to do!!

Hope they cancel these rules...
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i think it will be more fun
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Engines must now last for two races, rather than just one, with any unscheduled change resulting in a 10-place penalty on the starting grid. That will put a premium on reliability.
That also means artificial grids for many races as engines are bound to fail sometime or another. The driver gets penalised for something he has no control over. If they say this will reduce costs, well OK, but it takes away from outright racing.

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Qualifying will be held over two days, with the final session on Sunday morning. The Sunday and Saturday times will be aggregated.
boooorrrinnnng! You would've thought that after the fiasco of a qualifying format in 2004, they would introduce a better system. But infact they have made it worse! Aggregate timing! That means we gotto sit there with a book and a calculator, adding saturday's timings to Sunday's timings and figuring out who is on pole! Yea, that sounds like fun! There is a reason why MotoGP got rid of it's aggregate timing regulation.

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The changes, intended to cut downforce by about 25 percent to slow cars on safety grounds, should make cars 'twitchier' to drive and more spectacular to watch with less grip.
This is the only new reg I like, as it would mean the drivers would have to work harder, in turn making more fun for us viewers to watch. also, should see more overtaking?!

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Tyres must last for qualifying and the race. The reason being that harder, and therefore more durable, tyres will reduce cornering speeds.
Another dumb rule IMO. They should have done away with refueling instead. Running more fuel would automatically slow the cars down.

Well, either way, it should be an interesting season to watch!
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Tyres must last for qualifying and the race. The reason being that harder, and therefore more durable, tyres will reduce cornering speeds.

They must now last around 350km.
All drivers will be allowed three sets of the same specification tyres for Saturday and Sunday. One will be used for Saturday practice, another for qualifying and the race while the third set is held back in case of a puncture.
The awesome part of the pitstop is removed. It looks great when those eight technicians change the tyres.

Moreover, they should've been a total four sets of tyres of the same specification. One for Saturday practice, two for the qualifying and race, and one for emergency reasons. This will result in at least one pitstop having to change tyres. But the current rule is not bad, since it would make Formula One more interesting and difficult for the top teams.

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The changes, intended to cut downforce by about 25 percent to slow cars on safety grounds, should make cars 'twitchier' to drive and more spectacular to watch with less grip.
More spectacular to watch, but will it be safe with less grip?

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the starting grid and pole position will not be decided until shortly before the race.
this will be good, since it would put more pressure on the teams to develop a proper race strategy.

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Qualifying will be held over two days, with the final session on Sunday morning. The Sunday and Saturday times will be aggregated.
This rule is good IMO, since it can give chances for back-markers to move up higher in the grid.

One thing seems certain, the lap times would keep increasing lap by lap.
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Jaggu, U feel its going to be fun?!! Hope it is!! I really doubt it though....
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Qualifying will be held over two days, with the final session on Sunday morning. The Sunday and Saturday times will be aggregated.


This rule is good IMO, since it can give chances for back-markers to move up higher in the grid.
Well, if 2004 was any benchmark, the socalled backmarkers remained exactly where they always were, at the back.

All this rule did was make what was a great 1 hour of flat out qualifying laps into 2 long drawn out hours of watching a single car doing a single lap.
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the difference between the 2004 rule and 2005 rule was that they didn't take the aggregate. This may give the back-markers a second chance to perform and the front-runners a second chance to make a mistake.
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the phenomenal development in F1 goes on..
have a look at the current lap times at barcelona..
they'r just about 1.5 secs off schumi's pole lap last yr !

16.2.2005 - Barcelona

1 G. Fisichella Renault 01:14:408 87
2 R. Zonta Toyota 01:14:502 91
3 F. Alonso Renault 01:14:552 75

Spanish GP Pole 2004 - M. Schumacher Ferrari 1:15.022
Spanish GP Fastest lap 2004 - M. Schumacher Ferrari 1:17.450

need i say more ?
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Old 17th February 2005, 19:00   #12
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Didn't the papers say that Narain in a Jordan was just 2.5 sec off Schmi's pace? I think that's good, not race winning good but, "this is my first F1 season" good.

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Its profound that the FIA want the race to be slower...ridiculous!!! F1 is not suppose to be a slow sport at first place, rather its bout reducing lap times every next season...And FIA claims that the slow speeds will help in making this sport safer but they themselves beat this idea by reducing the down force(which cud result in cornering mishaps) and redundant tyres(which can result in disastrous consequences on a wet track).... :WTF: I just cant belive this inconsiderate and senseless rule...I protest this scum being a F! fanatic.
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I think aggregate time thing is good for the backmarkers.

Imagine this.................... day of qualifying, it starts raining, all the big guys have finished their 1st qualifying lap. Now, we all know that on a wet track a car can be around 7-12 secs lower than it would be on a dry track. and then, all of a sudden the sun comes out, the track is drying up and buy the time the backmarkers come out they're posting lap times 5-6 secs faster than Schunmi or Button or anyone who qualified in the wet.

2nd qualifying round, all is well, the track is dry and the backmarkers get thrashed as usual but, when you take their average lap times, you won't be seeing any red, blue, silver or white cars on the front row. All you're gonna see is yellow and black, ofcourse, starting at the front doesn't mean you'll finish there but, it's gonna be very interesting and it'll surely give these teams the confidence and encourage them to do better.

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Its profound that the FIA want the race to be slower...ridiculous!!! F1 is not suppose to be a slow sport at first place, rather its bout reducing lap times every next season...And FIA claims that the slow speeds will help in making this sport safer but they themselves beat this idea by reducing the down force(which cud result in cornering mishaps) and redundant tyres(which can result in disastrous consequences on a wet track)....
imagine if the FIA didnt attempt to slow the cars down..
they'd be going 6-7 seconds quicker every year... imagine that !
it may sound like fun to us.. but it is very dangerous

the reduced downforce does mean less grip.. but it also means slower cornering
just a matter of getting use to for the drivers

i agree on the tyre issue..
the FIA has alotted an emergency set of tyres for this reason.. and in case a tyre has got 'severly damaged' and needs changing
these are still grey areas and will be clarified come 6th march

now, inspite of the FIA's slowing down measures.. cars until now have been slightly quicker or there abouts all these years..
the 2005 measures ( and beyond ) and far greater esp with the new 2.4 Lt V8s in 2006
but take my word for it.. they wont slow F1 down for long or too much

10 teams are spending around $2.5 billion to ensure it !


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Didn't the papers say that Narain in a Jordan was just 2.5 sec off Schmi's pace? I think that's good, not race winning good but, "this is my first F1 season" good.
ferrari arent revealing their true pace yet..
i do expect that gap to widen

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I think aggregate time thing is good for the backmarkers.
rain has always played spoilsport.. even when there's just 1 qualifying session..
now there 2.. on separate days
they can never really overcome that possibility.. and why should they ?
it makes for some even better racing !!

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