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Old 14th May 2009, 15:50   #31
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Bernie is just too stupid for his words.
First, he discontinued with the Indianapolis track, then Montreal. After that even France was out. I still don't understand why was the Australian GP shifted to evening. The time for the Australian GP in Europe was the morning at 5.

The rules changes were fine, but why fix a budget for all the teams. The 2010 Cosworth engine thing was good, but now these guys showing nothing else but greed to get more money with more teams participating. They are shifting Formula 1 to Asia but at the same time, they are preferring the European viewers over the Asian viewers. F1 decisions are creating nothing but just chaos.

Season testing ban is very stupid, the teams which have a plus will have a greater advantage.

Next year maybe F1 will have teams like
Prodrive
iSport
Lola
USGP
Williams

All using Cosworth engines as all the manufacturers have threatened to quit. F1, will be similar to GP2 or A1GP, all teams using the same engine. Which isn't how f1 is. F1 is not just about racing, its about the engines and design also. Thats why its called Formula 1 and not something else.

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Old 14th May 2009, 22:58   #32
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Ferrari just confirms the threat to pull out.

Ferrari insists the ultimatum it has given the FIA is not posturing and it will “really and truly” pull out of Formula 1 at the end of the season if next year’s regulations are not changed.

“We are talking seriously because really and truly Ferrari will not be in the next championship if they stay with these rules."

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We are talking about the teams pulling out, but what happens to the F1 driver's career? wouldnt FIA be putting that too into jeopardy? and not to mention the fan base, which is going to reduce drastically. What is FIA thinking, expecting team to race with two different set of rules and different speeds in the same? whats the BIG IDEA?
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We are talking about the teams pulling out, but what happens to the F1 driver's career? wouldnt FIA be putting that too into jeopardy? and not to mention the fan base, which is going to reduce drastically. What is FIA thinking, expecting team to race with two different set of rules and different speeds in the same? whats the BIG IDEA?

Where are you heading? What are you trying to say?
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Another new team, Litespeed (from British Formula 3) would making an entry in F1 if the budget cap is introduced.

Looks like all the big teams are leaving and all the small(er) teams are making an entry.

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When Bernie wants a bigger share of the revenue its easy for him to deal with smaller teams.

I hope Bernie & Max are someway kicked out! A breakaway series is the only option!
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“Overall I think this is a bit of posturing. My guess is Ferrari will never go, because they are linked to this – they are absolutely joined at the hip with Formula 1. It is their only marketing programme.” - Niki Lauda.

- his 'three minutes of fame'
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Old 15th May 2009, 14:04   #38
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If Ferrari do indeed leave F1, it's what Max would be remembered by (mostly) - that's a sad legacy to leave behind. While the need of the hour is budget cuts, forcing it down the throats of the teams via unfettered technical freedom for those who choose to comply is not fair - the FIA, for all intents & purposes, would be running two separate series.

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A no-holds barred series would be quite good, F1 cars of the past have had 4WD, jet-engines (really !), & 6 wheels, not to mention turbos & active suspension !
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I don't think Ferrari is posing. But, with so many teams threatening to quit, I think either Max Mosely will either scrap the idea of budget caps or some other solution will be worked out.
If he implements his plan and we lose Ferrari, Renault and the others, it will be very sad indeed. The sport will be killed.
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Looks like Max is not ready to scrap the idea or even look for an alternative

No compromise reached over £40m cap

The FIA and Formula One Teams’ Association failed to reach a compromise agreement on the 2010 regulations following crunch talks in London on Friday.

FIA president Max Mosley revealed to the gathered media after the meeting that the governing body was not willing to back down on its £40 million budget cap, according to the Reuters news agency.

The teams' body has now gathered in a separate meeting to try and propose an alternative to the cap and two-tier system.

Mosley was quoted by PA as saying: "It was a friendly meeting but the teams have gone off to see if they can come up with something better than the cost cap.”

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Ferrari has lost the case against the FIA.
If Ferrari is true to their word, they will pull out of the sport. So will many other teams. That will be disastrous for Formula 1.
If Max has any sense, he will work out a solution or scrap his budget capping idea - which dosen't seem likely. Looks like 2009 will be the last year for many of us F1 fans.
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Just cuz of 1 dumb man, 3-4 top teams are gonna pull out
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What exactly is Ferrari's problem?

If they are confident of their capabilities, then they will be winning and the new teams will languish in the back like Force Indian now does. The cameras are always on the winning car.
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What exactly is Ferrari's problem? If they are confident of their capabilities, then they will be winning and the new teams will languish in the back like Force Indian now does. The cameras are always on the winning car.
Complying to the budget cap in 2010 would mean too many advantages like movable aero, unlimited testing, 20K rev limit, & a 800kJ KERS limit per lap. The fear is that these technical "sops" would create a 2-tiered championship (like in the turbo & non-turbo days) & the only way to be competetive is to accede to the budget cap !

If the 800kJ KERS limit & movable aero are removed from the list we might have a more balanced championship next year. I'm not sure how much of an advantage the 20K rev limit is, since refuelling is banned anyway. Besides, higher revving engines are bound to be unreliable & the manufacturer engines would be designed for the 18K rev-limit "only".

I for one, hope they work something out, 5 months a year without F1 is bad enough...

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Instead of announcing a mandatory cap, which would have been impossible to impose under the sporting regulations, FIA president Max Mosley has strengthened his hand by offering teams something of a Hobson's choice.

Those who sign up to the budget cap will have greater technical freedoms and unlimited out-of-season testing - those that don't, won't. That could put big-spending teams - such as Ferrari, Toyota and McLaren- into a different, lower league. Not only would it be confusing for the public, but it would dilute F1's position as the pinnacle of motorsport.

Usually, the way these things play out is predictable. Mosley comes up with an extreme suggestion that provokes the teams into action. They argue for a bit. Mosley waters down his position a little. The teams grumble a bit but accept it. And everyone goes away until the next political crisis - usually precipitated by another FIA initiative - starts the whole process again.
But this time it might be different.

For one thing, the teams have in recent years been getting increasingly aggravated by Mosley's constant changing of the rules. They want stable regulations and a level playing field.

For another, the teams remain determined to keep Fota together in the face of Mosley and Ecclestone's politicking - and if they can manage that then Mosley has to listen.

But most significant of all is the position of Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo as chairman of Fota.

Until very recently, Ferrari were at loggerheads with the other teams and more often than not in Ecclestone and Mosley's camp on most political battles. But not any more.

Now, Mosley finds Montezemolo on the other side of the battlefield and it is almost certainly not a comfortable feeling for either man.

For all his grandstanding, Mosley knows F1 cannot afford to lose Ferrari - not when surveys suggest that a third of all fans at grands prix are there to watch them.

There is a deadline of 29 May for teams to enter next year's championship, and we can expect many more public utterances from the parties involved.
Eventually, almost certainly, a compromise will be reached, one that keeps Ferrari on board.
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