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Old 19th June 2009, 15:47   #91
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I hope the organizers of the Indian race recognizes this and switches allegiance from FIA to FOTA, or else it will be stupid watching new cowboy teams running in circles in a race nobody wants to see.
I think Bernie will step in, none of the Broadcasters, sponsors and fans will want to be associated with a race series. I think huge sacrifices will be made, Max 'The Perv' Mosley will have to go and the teams will want more than a 50% share of the earnings between themselves.
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I hope the organizers of the Indian race recognizes this and switches allegiance from FIA to FOTA
Easier said than done my friend, since Force India are not gonna be in the breakaway.
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But then whats the use of spending all this money on a brand new track just to see Williams, Force India and a few rookie teams run in circles.
It will be a flop as a global event.
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Yes but Vijay Mallaya is the one who's been pulling the strings to get India a GP. Now that FOTA are separate, India may not even be a candidate for their new series either. The ideal scenario would be that both events race in India but I don't know if there are any legal restrictions that may stop this.
Not to forget that Ferrari, Red Bull and Toro Rosso may still be in F1

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But then whats the use of spending all this money on a brand new track just to see Williams, Force India and a few rookie teams run in circles. It will be a flop as a global event.
Remember CART & IRL ? Depending on how well both series are run over the next couple of years, there could still be enough space for both series. If either series falters, it will ultimately be assimilated into the more successful one.

As things stand, the 2010 F1 grid, with US-F1, Campos-GP, & Manor-GP has a lot of unknowns. The grid will undoubtedly now include Prodrive-Aston-Martin, Lotus, March, & Brabham - a few legendary team names are being dusted off & revived. Hopefully they'll be able to run a competitve & entertaining series.

The track owners should be happy as they now have two major motorsport events happening every year (a possible downside is that the breakaway F1 series may not have any supporting races). If forced to choose (due to race schedules) the majority of fans would shift with FOTA since that's where their allegiances lie - with the teams & drivers. Under Bernie, F1 management has been organized & streamlined through the creation of FOA, FOM, FOL-BV, FOPA, etc. FOTA would have to bring such a structure to their own series to ensure efficient & compartmentalized management.

Ferrari was dominant in 2002 & 2004, Brawn's unbeatable in 2009, when results get predictable the races become boring & fans are turned away - a rival series stands to gain a lot in such times. If & when the F1 track comes up in India, we could have both series on it, & that's definitely better than just one. Anyway, Max & Bernie are wily, scheming, foxes - let's see what their move is...
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As things stand, the 2010 F1 grid, with US-F1, Campos-GP, & Manor-GP has a lot of unknowns. The grid will undoubtedly now include Prodrive-Aston-Martin, Lotus, March, & Brabham - a few legendary team names are being dusted off & revived. Hopefully they'll be able to run a competitve & entertaining series.
Correction here pal. Lola (Aston Martin) withdrew their F1 application mid-week. I bet they'll join the FOTA series. Don't forget, Prodrive have huge McLaren connections (perhaps that's why they weren't included in the first place) and will most probably withdraw too. As for Lotus, March and Brabham, they have NOTHING to do with the historic Lotus, March or Brabham. The current owners only managed to buy the right to use those names. So don't be fooled by the names.

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Correction here pal. Lola (Aston Martin) withdrew their F1 application mid-week. I bet they'll join the FOTA series.
If I remember correct, Lola were pretty deep into the design & construction of their F1 car for 2010 before the FIA scuppered their entry. The only reason cited by Lola on their decision to withdraw their application was their failure to secure a spot on the grid. There's a better chance of Lola joining with the FIA than the significantly more expensive FOTA series.
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Don't forget, Prodrive have huge McLaren connections (perhaps that's why they weren't included in the first place) and will most probably withdraw too.
Frankly I do not understand the reason behind FIA's refusal of entry to Prodive for 2010. Prodrive cars were supposed to join the F1 grid in 2008 itself (having won the bid in 2006 against entries by well-known former F1 stars like Jean Alesi, Eddie Jordan, & Paul Stoddart). It was a last-minute legal shot-across-the-bows by Williams that forced Prodrive to withdraw their entry in 2007.
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As for Lotus, March and Brabham, they have NOTHING to do with the historic Lotus, March or Brabham. The current owners only managed to buy the right to use those names. So don't be fooled by the names.
The new Lotus is fronted by Mike Gascoyne (of Jordan, Benetton, & Force-India fame). The new Brabham team would most likely be based on the erstwhile Super-Aguri team (who's assets they hold). And Brabham's got the ex-MD of Force-India, Colin Kolles (for whom NK raced in Spa recently in the Le Mans series). Nobody's a n00b here, & hopefully they'll be able to put on a good show. They might just be names, but if you ask me, I'd prefer hearing Lotus, March, & Brabham are dog-fighting on the track as against US-F1, Campos, & Manor...

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If I remember correct, Lola were pretty deep into the design & construction of their F1 car for 2010 before the FIA scuppered their entry. The only reason cited by Lola on their decision to withdraw their application was their failure to secure a spot on the grid. There's a better chance of Lola joining with the FIA than the significantly more expensive FOTA series.
They've withdrawn already! You cannot re enter after withdrawing since the deadline for entries is long gone. Its not some silly game to withdraw and put yourself back in. A re-entry is no different from a brand new entry. There is a procedure and there are deadlines. Take it from me, Lola will not race in F1. Besides they do have the resources to join the FOTA series because they wanted to enter F1 quite a while back when there was no cap looming.

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Frankly I do not understand the reason behind FIA's refusal of entry to Prodive for 2010. Prodrive cars were supposed to join the F1 grid in 2008 itself (having won the bid in 2006 against entries by well-known former F1 stars like Jean Alesi, Eddie Jordan, & Paul Stoddart).
Two words: Ron Dennis. Prodrive was always a Dennis backed team and they even were ready to get them Merc engines. Everybody knows that Max and Ron never got along. No need for me to elaborate

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They might just be names, but if you ask me, I'd prefer hearing Lotus, March, & Brabham are dog-fighting on the track as against US-F1, Campos, & Manor...
Well that is your opinion so I'll respect that but I certainly don't want to see new teams using old legendary names to get a leg up. Rebadging a Maruti 800 (no disrespect here) with Audi badges doesn't make it an Audi for me. And even after that rebadging, Lotus, Brabham and March still can't stand shoulder to shoulder with Ferrari and McLaren.

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After all I had predicted this much earlier. "MAX the destroyer" - Name suits for an action pact movie thriller too.

Just waiting for that rival series. Like MS era, two way telemetry and all. Technical, technological, alternate fuel - CNG, LPG, Hydrogen, by 2021 even air and may be all with a 1000cc 600bhp engine. Even expecting a tyre war again, oops!

Best Of Luck, FOTA (Next year onwards MOTA - Manufactures Only Team Association)

Force India/Willams can still come back to FOTA as they are just suspended, but to pay some penalty to Bernie

Will wait and watch. Very interesting!
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  • There is a huge following for names like, Ferrari, McLaren Mercedes, BMW, Toyota..etc..etc...Also guys like Hamilton, Raikkonen, Button...By taking all this away F1 will look like a GP2 grid. There might be a lot of close competition but nones interested.
  • Campos and Manor have been racing in the likes of F3, GP2 etc...and most probably it must've been a close competition, but no one knew them till now.
  • Any team worth its salt gets into F1 to fight it out among the likes of Ferrari, McLaren etc.. There was always intiative to compete with them, get closer to them and perhaps one day beat them. Now the only thing remaining is the superficial brand name of 'F1'.
  • What made F1 the pinnacle of motorsport it is today is the fact that there was good engineering and competition involved, which required the money. U cant have donkeys in a race tracks cos the horses are expensive to maintain.
  • These teams are not just two cars but big organizations employing 100s of people. By cutting the budjets of big teams to just £40 mill, I presume Max 'The Perv' Mosely will compensate the families whove lost their earnings from his 'Nazi Fetish' account.
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can we have v10's and v12 back in the new series please. also car that are beautiful to look at (2006-2008) and not something you barf after looking at.

also on the side note i know many people(expat pilots) who either work for "fly the good times" or people i work with, who leased stuff to the "Great Dr. Mallya", from all of us really nice to see to talking one in the butt.
i hope FOTA makes him for ditching them at the alter, without Ferrari and mclaren, now "farce India " is worth diddly squat, pay your bills Mr. Mallya before you decide to enter a new venture.
as for Bernie watch out CVC is probably looking for you with a loaded gun.

again what i said above was just a personal opinion.
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Old 19th June 2009, 21:16   #102
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FIA to sue FOTA teams - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com

Let the battle begin!

Mallya hints Force India could jump ship - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com

About time if you ask me.
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autosport.com - F1 News: Mosley believes split unlikely to happen

Really Max? Then why bother with the lawyers?
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Double World Champion Fernando Alonso has claimed that 'Formula 1 is finished' following the announcement that FOTA is to push ahead with its own series to rival F1.

Having failed to reach a compromise with the FIA over the ongoing budget cap dispute, the Formula One Teams Association announced late on Thursday night that it would launch its own series – with Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, BMW Sauber, Brawn GP, Red Bull Racing, Toyota and Toro Rosso all set to walk away from the F1 paddock.

As things stand, only Williams and Force India would remain of the current F1 teams unless a compromise can be reached during talks over the course of the day at Silverstone on the first day of running for the British Grand Prix.

The FIA has already confirmed that it will reveal the 2010 entry list today and Alonso insisted that a breakaway would be the end of the road for F1.

“The new series will be very attractive, with the biggest teams and best drivers,” he told the BBC, “so everything stays the same – just maybe not the name.

“Formula 1 is finished. It will be a standard engine, small teams and no drivers – this is not the Formula 1 people want.

“The new series will be the new Formula One.”

SOURCE: AUTOBLOG

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Now that F1 is over, it's time to change the name of this thread to "F1's Past". There's no future, the present is just about there and only the past is something to talk about.
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