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Old 1st June 2005, 10:29   #61
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Now i dunno if the rules allowed Kimi to come in and change tyres, if it did, then it was completely Mclaren's fault that they didn't. A 4th place finish is anyday better than not finishing a race.
Mika Hakkinen once said that person coming second is the first one to lose the race.

I totally support McLaren decision. It is very easy to say they should have changed tyres AFTERthe race. Imagine if Kimi would have finished that lap then everyone would have said McLaren made a great choice & kimi drove wonderfully.
It is million times more difficult to take a decision at that moment
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Mika Hakkinen once said that person coming second is the first one to lose the race.
In this case, the guy destined to come second, was the first to cross the finish line.

Mclaren made their choice and lost. It's all part of the deal.

And don't try telling me that he could have finished 1st had he not had that accident coz Alonso was right behind him at that point, with one whole lap to go. He'd have finished 2nd anyway.

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In this case, the guy destined to come second, was the first to cross the finish line.

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are you sure Alonso decided to come in 2nd???
cause from what I saw on TV Alonso was pushing his car like crazy & reducing the gap between himself & Kimi, forcing Kimi to push his car hence increasing the risk of failure & which worked.
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cause from what I saw on TV Alonso was pushing his car like crazy & reducing the gap between himself & Kimi,
Like i've said before, Kimi would have finished 2nd in any case. There was no need to risk that. He was just fighting a losing battle.

What was Mcalren thinking? Did they actually believe that the limping Kimi could hold Alonso for another lap? No way!!!

They should have settled for 2nd place. Anything is better than not finishing the race.

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Frankly, for the last 10 laps, Kimi was driving on hopes and dreams which ended in a nightmare.

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for the last 10 laps , kimi was driving with a blurred vision due to the vibrations .. he was driving to win , the car characteristic were continuosly monitored by the pit crew and were stable ...the teams concern was wether Kimi could continue driving for 10 blurry laps ...Kimi was ok with it hence they went for glory ...

had kimi won the race i think this thread wouldnt have even exist ..

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Kimi still hasn't realised that he's not supposed to take off like a "Wasp" from the word go, especially when he's not allowed to change tyres.

That's exactly what he's been doing. Weren't the Williams and Renaults running on the same tyres as that on Kimi's car? They didn't seem to be in any trouble (except for William's pathetic fuel strategy).

There are many factors that affect tyre wear and Kimi's driving style plays a major role in it. A flat spot is what caused the car to vibrate and weaken the suspenssion, which caused the accident. In a way, FIA were wrong in not letting Kimi come in and change his front right tyre but, it is also Kimi's reponsibility as an F1 driver, to see to it that he doesn't drive the way he does.
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FIA and Michellin have nothing to do with it. It was Kimi's and Mclaren's decission that ended his race, the way it did.
No offense Shan2nu, but:

First you say that its Kimi's driving style [which was actually perfect and very good] thats a problem and that FIA were wrong not to let him in.

And then you say the FIA were not wrong [as I explained the FIA never restricted him to come for a tyre change], and Kimi's decision, not driving, was a problem.
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had kimi won the race i think this thread would have even exist ..
Like i said. Hopes and dreams.

Had Hienfeld not stopped for fuel, he'd have finished 1st.

Had Coultard not recieved a drive through he'd have been on the podium.

Had..........

Had........

Had........

The list goes on.

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there was no way alonso could pass kimi in the last lap the guy was 6 seconds behind him ...
Heifeld made kimi push which led to kimi go off roading twice .... because the event of the leader responding to the quicker car behind him generally happens during mid race ...but with 6 secs of lead in the last lap Kimi didnt have to push the car in last lap all he would have done is absorbed the pressure ...
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First you say that its Kimi's driving style [which was actually perfect and very good] thats a problem and that FIA were wrong not to let him in.

And then you say the FIA were not wrong [as I explained the FIA never restricted him to come for a tyre change], and Kimi's decision, not driving, was a problem.
Well i said that coz i thought the car couldn't change a tyre until it had a puncture. U cleared that doubt. So the FIA came out clean.

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Heifeld made kimi push which led to kimi go off roading twice
Isn't that driver error. Lack of concentration? How can his driving have been flawless?

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Like i've said before, Kimi would have finished 2nd in any case[/quote]
NOT TRUE
come last lap the gap was 1.5 sec
Alonso was lapping exactly 1.5 sec father than Kimi
also reducing gap is one thing while overtaking is another
I don't think Alonso would have been able to overtake Kimi
cause from Imola we also know that you don't need to have fast car to win race
and after pitting Kimi would have came home in 3rd or worse may be even fourth

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had kimi won the race i think this thread would have even exist ..
thats my point.
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come last lap the gap was 1.5 sec
Alonso was lapping exactly 1.5 sec father than Kimi
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there was no way alonso could pass kimi in the last lap the guy was 6 seconds behind him ...
Somebody says 6 secs, sombody says 1.5. What diff does it make.

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Had Hienfeld not stopped for fuel, he'd have finished 1st
Hiedfeild would have ran out of fuel resulting in DNF
Williams were on three stopper that was one of the main reason for his pace.
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Hiedfeild would have ran out of fuel resulting in DNF
Williams were on three stopper that was one of the main reason for his pace.
Exactly, when you have a problem, fix it. He still finished 2nd didn't he.

My point is that you have to be smart as a team, if you dream of winning championships.

Mclaren are saying that they don't regret the fact that they kept Kimi out on track. If they're happy with their decission, why should we feel sorry for them.

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Somebody says 6 secs, sombody says 1.5. What diff does it make.

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the diff was around 1.5 sec
source http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=87879
its a race report

1.5 sec & 6 sec would have made a huge difference
remember we are talking about F1 where time is measured in one thousanth of a second.
so had Rikkonen had 6 sec advantage on last lap then initially he must have had huge lead hence Kimi would have been able to reduce his speeds, would have been able to take left handed turns much more slowly which put all the force on right side tyres resulting in saving of his machinery & finishing race
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