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Old 1st June 2005, 11:20   #76
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1.5 sec & 6 sec would have made a huge difference
remember we are talking about F1 where time is measured in one thousanth of a second.
so had Rikkonen had 6 sec advantage on last lap then initially he must have had huge lead hence Kimi would have been able to reduce his speeds, would have been able to take left handed turns much more slowly which put all the force on right side tyres resulting in saving of his machinery & finishing race
If he was smart enuf not to lock up his tyres every now and then. He'd probably have had a 6 sec lead and a capable car too. Victory would have been his, without doubt.

But, these are just probabilities. The facts say something totally diff.

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Exactly, when you have a problem, fix it. He still finished 2nd didn't he.

My point is that you have to be smart as a team, if you dream of winning championships.

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sure whne you have problem fix it but the main question is WHEN YOU HAVE PROBLEM?

if kimi would have had tyre trouble in middle part of race then he SHOULD have pitted but on last part of race & the vechical was drivable then why pit?
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if kimi would have had tyre trouble in middle part of race then he SHOULD have pitted but on last part of race & the vechical was drivable then why pit?
If they were so damn confident that they would've finished the race. Why didn't he? On one hand they wanted to finish and on the other hand, they wanted to win. At the end, they lost on both counts.

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Isn't that driver error. Lack of concentration? How can his driving have been flawless?

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thats driver error ofcourse ... but it wasnt alonso who made him push hard ,it was heifeld ..

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Exactly, when you have a problem, fix it. He still finished 2nd didn't he..
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He was set to finish 3rd ..and had kimi pitted he would have given alonso full points and he would have to settle for 3rd ...
the Idea was to beat alonso and WIN the race ...
the kinda attitude one needs to win championships ...
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If he was smart enuf not to lock up his tyres every now and then. He'd probably have had a 6 sec lead and a capable car too. Victory would have been his, without doubt.

But, these are just probabilities. The facts say something totally diff.

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so any person who locks up his tyres must be a stupid person
then all F1 drivers must be morons according to you.

as our fellow member Gordon as already said in same topic that kimi suffered damage during his first gravel incident which ruined cars hadling (link to the post )
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If they were so damn confident that they would've finished the race. Why didn't he? On one hand they wanted to finish and on the other hand, they wanted to win. At the end, they lost on both counts.
no one is saying McLaren wanted to finish.
McLaren only wanted to win.
& this is the only kind of attitude which makes champions, driver settleing for second places will be always be that second

also no one expected the suspention to fail this way. remember tyre never go punchered but the suspension failed due to vibration. & no body expected that.
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If they were so damn confident that they would've finished the race. Why didn't he? On one hand they wanted to finish and on the other hand, they wanted to win. At the end, they lost on both counts.
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technisions and experts in the pits can observe car stats ,check readings ...based on which they can predict or anticipate car behaviour and its performance but a F-1 car is soo sensitive .... Many the engineers in the pit calculated the car would last say 6 kilometres in racing speeds and it broke after 2 kilos metres ...

so if were in Ron Dennises boot what would you have done ? tell him

"no no nothing doing son ,come pit have a drink of red bull whle we change the tyre and then go get me 3rd position" ?

or

Would you tell him to stay out and go for the kill ?
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thats driver error ofcourse ... but it wasnt alonso who made him push hard ,it was heifeld ..
What diff does it make who caused him to overdo it. A mistake is a mistake, and you guys keep saying there was nothing wrong with his driving.

Imagine if he hadn't made that mistake, he'd have gained 6 secs over Alonso on the final lap, easy.

A flat spot doesn't just come on a tyre without reasons.

here's how the story goes : Kimi locks up his wheels, he gets a flat spot, flat spot causes car to vibrate, which weakens the suspenssion over the race distance, suspenssion fails on the last lap, Kimi gets DNF. It's as simple as that.

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he was driving fine ... a lot of drivers went off road in that race ... and they all locked up a couple of times in the race ...thats not the point ...
everyone else was on a 3 stop strategy Kimi wasnt ... meaning he was running a much heavier car throughout the race , and he could still set a quick pace and fought off heifeld ..

he had huge lead initially but taht was reduce because he was preserving the car for the fnish and alonso was pushing hard ..but stll there was no way alonso would make the pass on the final lap ..
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Many the engineers in the pit calculated the car would last say 6 kilometres in racing speeds and it broke after 2 kilos metres ...
They mis-calculated. An error of 4 kms or 75% can be nothing but miscalculation.

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so if were in Ron Dennises boot what would you have done ? tell him
Settle for 3rd. He'd have finished with 35 points instead of 27.

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& this is the only kind of attitude which makes champions
Champions posses race finishing capabilities to go along with their attitude.

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here's how the story goes : Kimi locks up his wheels, he gets a flat spot, flat spot causes car to vibrate, which weakens the suspenssion over the race distance, suspenssion fails on the last lap, Kimi gets DNF. It's as simple as that.
you really think its all that easy?
then why would F1 teams spend so many million dollars on R&D ?
reason it isn't that easy.
there are lots & lots of IF's & But's in that also
IT IS VERY EASY TO SAY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AFTER THIS INCIDENT HAS HAPPENED
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Guys, what diff does it make. Kimi lost and that's the fact.

Lets hope that he learns from his experience and does better next time.

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They mis-calculated. An error of 4 kms or 75% can be nothing but miscalculation.



Settle for 3rd. He'd have finished with 35 points instead of 27.



Champions posses race finishing capabilities to go along with their attitude.

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that was just an example, didnt say thats what they did...gosh if pit engineers were that accurate there wouldnt have been a single engine failure a single transmission failure, F-1 would be pretty darn boring then wouldnt it ? ... F1 cars, are highly sensitive and unpredictable ..so there is a lot of experience that goes along with making such crucial decisions ...

champions charaterise killer instinct and are go getters , taking calculated risks is not a bad thing , playing safe and pitting was an easy way out ... if they are out of contendership this year ..with this attitude they are bound to win in the future ..
mclaren had the quicker car all weekend ...they fared well trhoughout they deserved the win and at that moment it was the best decision one could have taken ... they did what they could to win .
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No point in further discussion. Race is over. Kimi's drove well but suspension failed. Alonso won. Good for him. One Ferrari on the podium. Happy about that. Please close this topic.
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