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View Poll Results: Whom would you blame for the Indianapolis fiasco?
Michelin 38 59.38%
FIA, Bernie 8 12.50%
Ferrari 11 17.19%
All teams using Michelin tyres 7 10.94%
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Old 20th June 2005, 16:29   #91
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Why should they? If car X is having problem with it, it is problem with car X. Why punish others for its fault. Overall this year, bridgestone tyres have been huge disappointment for Ferrari. So if the tide turned for US GP, why should Ferrari give up the advantage? It's like, "Hey, I have a bad car today, can we race slow? No? You won't? Common, show some sporting spirit, you spoilsport!".
Simple. Because it would have meant having 20 cars.

No one loses. Ferrari would have finished ahead of the jordans and minardis, and got the 10+8 points.
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Old 20th June 2005, 16:31   #92
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thats it all f1 fans please don't buy FIAT cars from now on
(infact don't buy cars coming out of any of its sister company)
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also it made ferrari look bad (affects car sales)

Tell me how is it going to affect the sales if you claim so?
So, you think Ferrari were selling cars because they are champions and if Renault becomes we see people buying their cars or if Mclarens then SLR's!!

Ferrari will remain what they are.

Its very easy to say, if a Ferrari is spotted today there will be a new thread coming up.

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Old 20th June 2005, 16:31   #93
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If the flexibility is not there, then we have to accept that a six car race can happen again.
FIA had given options to Michelin and all of which were turned down. First, you (read Michelin) goof up and second, you turn down alternatives given because they are not helpful for you. Changing layout would be acceptable only if all the tyres were blowing up on that turn, which clearly was not the case. Bending rules of game to accomodate one competitor is not really flexibility.
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Why should they? If car X is having problem with it, it is problem with car X. Why punish others for its fault. Overall this year, bridgestone tyres have been huge disappointment for Ferrari. So if the tide turned for US GP, why should Ferrari give up the advantage? It's like, "Hey, I have a bad car today, can we race slow? No? You won't? Common, show some sporting spirit, you spoilsport!".
Completely Agree. Can't race, don't race!
US GP. 20 cars. 6 Bridgestone. 14 Michelin. Bridgestone's cars raced, Michelin's problems faced. Team mates battle. Sad days. Ferrari 1-2 either ways.
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also it made ferrari look bad (affects car sales)
Ferrari is a company that has pure history. It has a high rated reputation. The sales don't matter entirely on how the company is doing in racing. It does matter to an extent. However, you can say that the cars they produce largely depend on data and information recieved during the F1 Seasons and other races they participate in.
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Its like: there is a competitive exam on a day which was announced 3 months back. There are 1000 candidates.

But just before the day of exam, 950 guys did not finish preparation? So will the exam be postponed?

If the exam is conducted as per schedule..whom would you blame if the total passing percentage is low..50 guys who prepared well or 950 guys who did not?

Cant see any basis for reasonig of some guys out there in this forum who blames FERRARI or FIAT who has got their act together!

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and this is what US Fans at the GP venue felt about the race.taken from F1live.com.


F1-live reserves right to this Quoted information.
why don't you put full article
why you only posted part where micheline was blamed?
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you are running your imagination a bit too wild as there would be no chance of the above happening if kimi would have stuck to 150 mph on that turn every lap as michael would have lapped him (as a matter of fact any driver ) a couple of times by the end of the race !

manson .
when coming out of turn at lap 1
lets say
MS & Kimi seperated by 0.2 sec
coming to turn 13 MS decides to try to overtake Kimi on straight

& out of nowhere kimi slows from 190mph to safe 140 mph
thats reduction by 80km

now what do you think will happen

saying running your imagination is like saying
you don't get int oaccident everyday why wear seat belt
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michelin made a mistake at indy.. there's no doubt about that
but they arent to blame for the what happened on 19th june
all this could have been prevented by ferrari agreeing to install a chicane at turn 13..

its as simple as that..
shame on ferrari.. no sporting spirit.. as selfish as it comes
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shame on ferrari.. no sporting spirit.. as selfish as it comes
Huh? It is sounding like all bad things in F1 are due to Ferrari. They were there for racing, not friendly game.

With your logic, one can blame McLaren for using most powerful engines all the time, while poor Minardi and Jordans race with worst lot. Where goes your sporting spirit then?

It's good that Michelin has officially accepted the blame and apologized for the mess up.
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when coming out of turn at lap 1
lets say
MS & Kimi seperated by 0.2 sec
coming to turn 13 MS decides to try to overtake Kimi on straight

& out of nowhere kimi slows from 190mph to safe 140 mph
thats reduction by 80km

now what do you think will happen

saying running your imagination is like saying
you don't get int oaccident everyday why wear seat belt
and how in the world would kimi be ahead of schumi if he had slowed down to 140 mph on turn 13 every lap , please give a detailed report on this one .

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why don't you put full article
why you only posted part where micheline was blamed?
why should i.i dont have the right to publish information from their sources.i will post whatever is relavent to make my point clear and not ur point.if u want to read about Michelin then just go http://f1.racing-live.com/en/index.html

u dont follow matters closely and why should i accept Ferrari as responsible for this when everyone barring a few accept that Michelin was at fault.u go to that website or F1.com and tell me one quote by a team or driver or by any fan that held ferrari responsible.they simply cannot do it.yes they can hide facts or tell u incomplete ones on starsports.

and now it is pretty clear that u hate Ferrari from bottom of ur heart.and secondly F1live is a premier F1 website with very accurate and inside info on F1 that finds its way somestimes in Times of india also.

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when coming out of turn at lap 1
lets say
MS & Kimi seperated by 0.2 sec
coming to turn 13 MS decides to try to overtake Kimi on straight

& out of nowhere kimi slows from 190mph to safe 140 mph
thats reduction by 80km

now what do you think will happen
did u actually see the US GP.or do u know which is turn 13.if u exit turn 11 at a lower speed or do not accelerate hard after turn 11(even if there is a delay of .5 sec in ur hard acceleration) or u lift of for a tenth of a second on turn 12, ur never going to reach 190mph on turn 13.so u dont need to slow down and MS would have long overtaken u after turn 11 and that is main thing they did want to avoid by putting a chicane.and as MS said he heard from a fellow Michelin driver that even if they had put in chicane it could not have assured that the tyres will not fail at the end of the long straight.

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FROM F1RACING.NET
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Bernie 'furious'
Bernie Ecclestone says he 'tried a million things' to convince F1 teams to race at Indianapolis. "I am furious," the 74-year-old F1 supremo said. Bernie said that, in the 'good old days', he would have forced them to the green light.

Indeed, Martin Brundle - ex-racer and TV pundit - recalled Adelaide 1991, when, in pouring rain, Ecclestone toured the grid, driver by driver, yelling them into their cars. He said: "Those days are over. Let's be honest. If you were a promoter you would not want to risk this happening again. We'd just started to build a great image for Formula One in America and that is all ruined."

FIA president Max Mosley slammed Michelin for not bringing a 'back up' tyre to America, or taking up one of the governing body's race options. "As a result," said the Briton, "Formula One and motor sport fans are the losers. We are now awaiting a report from Indianapolis before deciding on the next step."

And the future of F1 in America, and of Michelin in F1? "Not good," Mr. Ecclestone stared, "on both counts."
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It was Michelin's fault, being a professional tyre manufacturer, that too for the majority of the teams, they should have done their homework better.
Ferrari can be blamed, but, not to a great extent... they can be blamed only for sticking to their business.
Like rtech said, adding a chicane and letting cars run there would have definitely been unsafe as the modified track would have been untested.
And one really can't expect F1 drivers to drive slowly... most of them know only one style of driving.... i.e. driving to the limits....
Michelin were to be blamed, and F1 was the sufferer. It certainly has lost an image in the US. I guess atleast for the sake of F1, some alternative should have been enforced.
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