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View Poll Results: Whom would you blame for the Indianapolis fiasco?
Michelin 38 59.38%
FIA, Bernie 8 12.50%
Ferrari 11 17.19%
All teams using Michelin tyres 7 10.94%
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Old 20th June 2005, 19:33   #106
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Michelin's fault? How about the FIA's new rule this year dictating all teams to stick to one set of tires for the entire weekend? Where was the 'driver safety' factor while making such an atrocious rule?

Kimi could have died when that tyre blow-out happened. Same could have happened a lot of other drivers as well.

What about Ferrari? The only thing they wanted out of this race weekend was cheap 18 constructor and driver points. They want that German driver to win an eighth championship. Period. So much for the spirit of racing and the sport. Fans of the sport? Huh? What's that?

I like the spirit shown by the Minardi boss. How I wish such a spirit could be shown by some of the other teams as well. Especially a certain one from Italy. Race first, entertain the fans... let's worry about winning later.

Do you guys remember in one of the earlier races (I don't remember which one) where they showed a video grab of MS touching the white line while coming out of the pits? Why was he not penalised? Many other drivers have been penalised (remember Montoya being black-flagged) for a lot lesser offences. Why the 'special treatment'??

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Old 20th June 2005, 19:40   #107
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I think that there are a whole load of issues:

1: Michelins fault - nuff said already
2: Bernie and co could have done more to resolve problem
3: Other manufacturers used the situ to get their own back on Bernie's monopoly - they appeared for warm-up and "retired". If they boycotted straight away - they woulda have got penalised. Remember, the manufacturers have got blueprints to run a parallel race series in case F1 turned sour
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Old 20th June 2005, 19:50   #108
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Q to Michelin: you make a tyre that shoes 14 of 20 cars. you have raced the circuit before (many times). why did you not prepare a tyre for this race? was this race added to the calendar at the last minute.
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Old 20th June 2005, 20:04   #109
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Looks like it has become a fashion statement to blame anything on Ferrari.

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Michelin's fault? How about the FIA's new rule this year dictating all teams to stick to one set of tires for the entire weekend?
This rule actually helped Michelin more than Bridgestone. You can see this by how bridgestones have struggled whole season. It was aimed at destroying Ferrari's stranglehold on championship.

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What about Ferrari? The only thing they wanted out of this race weekend was cheap 18 constructor and driver points. They want that German driver to win an eighth championship.
That German driver has won 83 races earlier and not all of them were cheap driver points. If you can't appreciate it, at least show some respect for what he has achieved! If it were bridgestone instead of Michelin, would Michelin teams have allowed the chicane? No way!

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So much for the spirit of racing and the sport. Fans of the sport? Huh? What's that?
If the other teams had so much of spirit, why didn't they accept to FIA's alternatives? They were there for racing and not for bulldozing and boycotting.

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I like the spirit shown by the Minardi boss. How I wish such a spirit could be shown by some of the other teams as well. Especially a certain one from Italy.
And Minardi did participate as soon as Jordan decided to race. So much for that spirit?

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Why was he not penalised? Why the 'special treatment'??
If he was at fault, why didn't other teams protest? Sure they could have. Anyway, this is totally unrelated to this episode, so doesn't merit much in this discussion.
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Do you guys remember in one of the earlier races (I don't remember which one) where they showed a video grab of MS touching the white line while coming out of the pits? Why was he not penalised? Many other drivers have been penalised (remember Montoya being black-flagged) for a lot lesser offences. Why the 'special treatment'??
do u know the rules or what?one has to cross the white line to pe given a drive through or stop-go penalty,not run over it.if u saw clearly he ran marginally over the white line and did not cross it.

as for Montoya do u know how serious offence it is when u exit the pits under the red light.red light means the pit lane is closed and no one can exit the pitlane,and montoya did just that.
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guys why blame Ferrari?? They had a good setup and started the race. Its Michelin that had probs that couldn't be sorted out.
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Old 20th June 2005, 20:46   #112
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What about Ferrari? The only thing they wanted out of this race weekend was cheap 18 constructor and driver points.
Those points are not cheap. Those 18 points have placed them joint second in constructors.

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They want that German driver to win an eighth championship.
Thats what everyone is behind in F1 and dreams to win one day ... why shouldnt he?

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entertain the fans... let's worry about winning later.
Yeah man I was expecting that Alonso and Kimi would come out and do some donuts for entertaining the fans....You can win championship some other time .... I think Michelin's can last few donuts... rite....
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Old 20th June 2005, 20:52   #113
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i think that the chicane thing is just ridiculous.to accomodate a chicane,the cars setup,downforce,gearing,balance and tyre choice would have been different and it is pathatic to expect some team(read ferarri) to accept this when they have no choice to modify their car or setup as the chicane demand was made just 2-3 hrs before the race and was forced actually 30mins before the race start.
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Old 20th June 2005, 21:19   #114
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and how in the world would kimi be ahead of schumi if he had slowed down to 140 mph on turn 13 every lap , please give a detailed report on this one .

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at end of lap 1

BTW kimi was ahead of MS after qualifying
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Its like: there is a competitive exam on a day which was announced 3 months back. There are 1000 candidates.

But just before the day of exam, 950 guys did not finish preparation? So will the exam be postponed?

If the exam is conducted as per schedule..whom would you blame if the total passing percentage is low..50 guys who prepared well or 950 guys who did not?

Cant see any basis for reasonig of some guys out there in this forum who blames FERRARI or FIAT who has got their act together!
do those candidates get paid for giving exams?
does university makes advertising ment about that exams & put it live on TV?
do they sell tickets to people to see those 1000 people giving exam?
do we have commentry about exam?
does not being prepared for exam results in 950 guys safety problem?

if answer to all of the above question is yes
then exam should be cancled
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do those candidates get paid for giving exams?
does university makes advertising ment about that exams & put it live on TV?
do they sell tickets to people to see those 1000 people giving exam?
do we have commentry about exam?
does not being prepared for exam results in 950 guys safety problem?

if answer to all of the above question is yes
then exam should be cancled
please that was just a example give by hasopi .

are u comparing a components of exam with a that of a race.exam has other preferances and ohter important aspects like mental stress on students,their hardwork,reputation of the college,university and following the set guidelines.please stop this unsensible crap.
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please that was just a example give by hasopi .
in same way i asked few questions on his examples
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hmm...quite an eventful race and an equally eventful discussion happening today. Well frankly Michelin did screw up, but was this situation not avoidable.

I just came across this article on Planet F1 which says that a similar incident happened in 2003 Brazillian GP and at that time rules were bent to support bridgestone. Here is the piece courtesy Planet F1...

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Ross Brawn’s drinking buddy released a letter that he got from Michelin with some smart answers as to why they couldn’t use different tyres on Sunday.

But he’s changed the rules for Bridgestone prior to a race so we’ve been here before. It's surprising nobody’s questioned why Whiting changed the tyre rules at the beginning of the 2003 Brazilian GP.

Back in 2003 you were only allowed to take one wet tyre to races, so you had to make your mind up before the event. Bridgestone arrived at Interlagos with their legendary intermediate tyre that was quite good in wet and mixed conditions. Michelin had a full wet that could run in more rain.

When the heavens opened before the race, Whiting delayed the start because the Bridgestone runners wouldn’t have been able to make it round safely. It was clearly Bridgestone’s fault for not bringing a full wet tyre, but as the argument has gone this weekend – they knew the situation…

After delaying the start the field was then sent round Interlagos behind the Safety Car until enough water was taken off the circuit. Had they released the field when it was suitable for the Michelins on full wets, then Fisichella would never have won the race in his Jordan and Kimi Raikkonen may well have got the win.

Nobody complained because it was a safety issue. Fast forward two years and Whiting is not prepared to compromise in another safety situation. This interpretation of the rules when it suits them makes F1 fans deeply suspicius - it's like there was an agenda here from the FIA.
Now is it right to blame Michelin or the Michelin teams after you have read this???
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Old 21st June 2005, 02:39   #119
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Interview with Jean Todt found on pitpass.com. Must read!

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=24901

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Old 21st June 2005, 03:02   #120
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do u know the rules or what?one has to cross the white line to pe given a drive through or stop-go penalty,not run over it.if u saw clearly he ran marginally over the white line and did not cross it.
Obviously you seem to know the rules better. By the way, in the 2004 Canadian GP, Kimi was penalised with a drive-through penalty for "touching" the white line, not crossing it. Here's an excerpt from a website:

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West McLaren Mercedes drivers Kimi Raikkonen and David Coulthard finished today's 70-lap Canadian Grand Prix in seventh and ninth places respectively. Both drivers were on a three-stop-strategy, but Kimi visited the pits two additional times when he received a drive through penalty (lap 19) for touching the white line at the pit lane exit and the second time to change his steering wheel (lap 61).
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as for Montoya do u know how serious offence it is when u exit the pits under the red light.red light means the pit lane is closed and no one can exit the pitlane,and montoya did just that.
Well, Montoya claims that there was some confusion. There was a flashing blue light next to the red light. He checked with his team and they instructed him to go on. Later he was told that he might get a drive-thru penalty for that. But surprise surprise, he got black-flagged. Anything for getting two Ferraris on the podium, huh?

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