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Old 29th June 2005, 13:08   #1
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Old 29th June 2005, 13:21   #2
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Michelin also offered to buy 20,000 tickets for the 2006 US Grand Prix to be given to this year's fans.
What makes them think, this years fans would even bother coming in 2006 (even if they were given free tickets).

And do they mean to say that those who might want to come next year maynot be able to do so as 20,000 seats have already been decided on? Makes no sense.

It's like offering one kid a chocolate icecream when he doesn't want it and depriving the other when he needs it the most.

And what about the losses that the teams faced due to Michelins mistake? Who's going to take care of that. I'm sure each team would have lost in millions.

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The teams face charges of bringing the sport into disrepute and could be docked constructors' points.
How can they blame the teams? They just did what was best for their drivers.

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People never learn - takes eons to build something up and just a moment's indiscretion to throw all the good work down the drain. Michelin seems to think its the other way around...
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People never learn - takes eons to build something up and just a moment's indiscretion to throw all the good work down the drain. Michelin seems to think its the other way around...

Correct - I remember there used to be a big chain of jewellery shops in the UK called Ratners - they had 40+ % of the market. All it took was a sozzled CEO, Gerald Ratner iun a speech to mention that he sold "crap" that cost less than a prawn sandwiich. You can guess what happened after that !!!!

Worst case scenario - michelin will get hammered and probably taken over
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Shan, they are buying 20,000 tickets to give to the fans later on. And i agree that the teams should not be punished as they have done nothing wrong by not compromising on the safety of the drivers. But IMHO, the FIA and Bernie should also have done something for the fans!
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was just talking about the same thing like a couple of hours back with a friend while i was playing snooker and we thought that michelin teams should pay the spectators and in return they could sue michelin and recover their losses .

totally understand that it wasn't safe to take that turn at 190 mph but they could have then taken it at a lower speed and yet competed with the other 13 michelin runners , so atleast the spirit could have been maintained .

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Well at least its better than nothing.

A few heads will roll at Michelin, and everything will be back to normal again.
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totally understand that it wasn't safe to take that turn at 190 mph but they could have then taken it at a lower speed and yet competed with the other 13 michelin runners , so atleast the spirit could have been maintained .
U think thats easy? U think Villeneuve or Kimi would listen to such crap? No way, they'd rather go into the wall than slow down.

Slowing down in a race is unacceptable and most of the drivers wouldn't have agreed to it.

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U think thats easy? U think Villeneuve or Kimi would listen to such crap? No way, they'd rather go into the wall than slow down.

Slowing down in a race is unacceptable and most of the drivers wouldn't have agreed to it.

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When your brakes are fading in a grandprix, you stop doing late-braking and all the other antics and reduce speed to finish the grand-prix and when you are tyres can't handle the speed you do the same thing. On the contrary you don't gang up and spoil a grand-prix. Renault wanted to race even if it meant changing tyres and taking the penalty(Flabio said this in one of the articles). But the other teams were against it.

The teams did not fall in line with FIA' decision that the dis-adv'ed teams should slow down at the corner w/o obstructing other cars(move off the racing line..). Since they decided to boycott the race w/o prior intimation, they are being fined and i think its absolutely fair to do so.
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The teams did not fall in line with FIA' decision that the dis-adv'ed teams should slow down at the corner w/o obstructing other cars(move off the racing line..).
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Renault wanted to race even if it meant changing tyres and taking the penalty(Flabio said this in one of the articles). But the other teams were against it.
What Flabio wanted, was to put up a show for the fans. What the other teams wanted was a race but sadly, they couldn't race with those tyres.

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When your brakes are fading in a grandprix, you stop doing late-braking and all the other antics and reduce speed to finish the grand-prix and when you are tyres can't handle the speed you do the same thing.
Theres a diff between fade and failure. F1 isn't a freak show (though Bernie is hell bent on making it one). Safety should always be given first priority.

Even a slow lap in an F1 car is much faster than what any production super car will manage.

It finally comes down to Michelin. When Bridgestone could make their tyres last for the predicted 100 laps, why couldn't Michelin make their's last for even 1/10th that distance? Call it ignorance, incapability or a mistake, they're the ones who are going to be blamed for it.

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U think thats easy? U think Villeneuve or Kimi would listen to such crap? No way, they'd rather go into the wall than slow down.

Slowing down in a race is unacceptable and most of the drivers wouldn't have agreed to it.

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that shows one thing that modern F1 is more like a programed game where one brakes ,accelerates,turns exactly at give points and none other.if the drivers are driving the best cars and are very capable of monstering such machine then they must be able to slow down and take care of their car and their safety when it is not in optimum condition.also there was a strong suggestion to use the pitlane.it is their(teams) mistake that they bought the wrong tyre or should i say chose the wrong company to supply the tyres.
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that shows one thing that modern F1 is more like a programed game
Ofcourse it is.

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if the drivers are driving the best cars and are very capable of monstering such machine then they must be able to slow down and take care of their car and their safety when it is not in optimum condition
Slowing down was their main problem. They didn't want to keep slowing down when the Bridgestone runners kept running away on the fastest stretch of the track.

That's why they asked for the chicane as it woud makes thing even for all the cars but, Ferrari didn't agree.

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it is their(teams) mistake that they bought the wrong tyre or should i say chose the wrong company to supply the tyres.
Teams didn't bring the wrong tyre, Michelin did. Yup, after this, Michelin have to really reconsider their position in F1. Bridgestone have had their problems too but, this is beyond anything we've ever seen.

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Slowing down was their main problem. They didn't want to keep slowing down when the Bridgestone runners kept running away on the fastest stretch of the track.
That's why they asked for the chicane as it woud makes thing even for all the cars but, Ferrari didn't agree.
why should they.


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Teams didn't bring the wrong tyre, Michelin did.
but michelin is their supplier and it is for the teams to figure out what the supplier is doing,or wether the supplier is right.if somebody has brake failure due to thiner discs then they cannot blame brembo for that,they simply brought the wrong brakes.
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there were a couple of good editorials on this fiasco on the planet f1 site including a narration of events by Stoddie.

links below:
http://www.planet-f1.com/features/ed...ry_20028.shtml

http://www.planet-f1.com/features/ra...ry_20035.shtml
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why should they.
Exactly, so you see one mistake by Michelin has led to so many things.

If we have to blame then everybody needs to be blamed. Bcoz, if we think Ferrari were right, there are other who think otherwise.

So, it's better we stick to the one that caused it all ............"Michelin".

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