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Old 11th September 2009, 16:54   #46
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Well Renault is launching legal proceedings against their former driver Nelson following his claim that he was forced into planning a crash. Let us see how the story unfolds.
Now this is going to affect Nelson's career for sure
The crinimal proceedings against Piquet Junior and Sr are for making faulse allegations and an attempt to use these allegations as blackmail to allow Nelson to drive for the rest of the 2009 season.

Its going to harm his reputation as a driver for sure.

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Old 11th September 2009, 18:12   #47
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I've an idea about how this is going to work. If Renault are indeed claiming that they knew Piquet was going to crash, then they are complicit in the crime. It doesn't matter who thought of the idea because it appears Briatore, Piquet and Symonds all knew about it before the crash. So much so, that Alonso's strategy was changed. Renault cannot escape that fact. It appears that Renault will be punished for breaching the sporting code as they have now admitted to it.

However, Renault will avoid any claims that they put their driver/spectators/marshalls/other drivers at risk of injury/death by saying it was Piquet's idea. These are charges (I think they're a bit exaggerated, but they are charges that will be brought up) that will be ruled on in a court of law which is more serious. Piquet may be charged with causing a risk to spectators/marshalls/other competitors too due to his deliberate act. On the other hand, I doubt if there's any conclusive evidence that Renault can produce showing that it was Piquet's idea to crash the car. In any case Briatore and Symonds are complicitly accused of the same charges. Overall, Piquet's side of the story is more believable as he can claim he was blackmailed into doing it whereas Renault will struggle to provide a motive for Piquet's idea to crash his car.

Meanwhile, Piquet has been granted immunity by Mosley which explains the rather desperate sounding initiation of criminal proceedings. This may be a case that Renault can win but again, evidence is the question. Do they have any showing that Piquet used crashgate to blackmail them into letting him drive for 2009?

autosport.com - F1 News: Mosley: Race-fixing worse than cheating

Spare a thought for the poor Renault engineers and mechanics who probably face a ban from F1 and therefore the prospect of not having a job next year thanks to three nutcases.

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Old 11th September 2009, 23:21   #48
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http://axisofoversteer.com/blog/docu...%20Of%20PK.pdf

A treasure trove right here.This is the info that was leaked to the media. Makes the most damning case against Renault.

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that indeed is a treasure trove bro. thank you.
the graph says quite a lot.
NPJ *could* have come up with the idea of crashing by himself but the precision with which it occurred and the benefit Alonso derived out of it cannot be extempore.
no matter how it turns out, it looks like Pat Symonds and NPJ are shafted for sure. the interesting bit will be whats gonna happen to Flavio.

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FIA offer Symonds immunity - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com

Looks like Max has Flav just where he wants him. Sometimes, it is a bit obvious isn't it? Of the three involved parties, two are offered immunity. Its disgusting to see such a blatant witch hunt. I thought Ron Dennis was the last one to go because of Max but no...

On the other hand, if you read the leaked transcript above, the evidence is mostly circumstantial. I can't quite put my finger on a piece of irrefutable proof that Renault did crash deliberately. When I first read it, I thought that was it for Renault. But a second read shows that it isn't really solid enough.
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Ah well, looks like a well scripted action here

Full transcript of Renault radio transmissions - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com
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Old 16th September 2009, 17:07   #52
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Its' a can of worms isn't it

autosport.com - F1 News: Briatore and Symonds leave Renault

Good to see the back of Flavio
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And they won't contest the charges. Now that all three members of the team involved have left, its hard to see what the FIA will do.

Briatore leaves Renault; team won't dispute charge - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com
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And they won't contest the charges. Now that all three members of the team involved have left, its hard to see what the FIA will do.

Briatore leaves Renault; team won't dispute charge - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com
I believe any of the other teams can sue them on criminal grounds for this scam which would have cost the other team in millions!

Thats my guess, anyways! The scum is out
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And they won't contest the charges. Now that all three members of the team involved have left, its hard to see what the FIA will do.

Briatore leaves Renault; team won't dispute charge - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com
Definitely there will be some punishment, but they may not go to the extent of banning Renault from F1. I think it will be similar along the lines of spygate punishment ($100M and exclusion from WCC)
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As if the whirlwind year of f1 politics was not enough we now have this controversy .
Race Fiixing is something no one even thinks of and if Flavio and Co pulled it off then this should be dealt with very harshly .
For the very very first time thumbs up to mad Max!
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Just saw this on TV. Renault Accepts fixing charges. And yes, anything can be rigged to churn out un natural results.
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Below the link conversation between FIA & Symonds.. VERY INTERSTING
Nelson Piquet's crash in Singapore: what really happened? | Sport | guardian.co.uk
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Holy cow. Race fixing and out of all of them its being done by Flavio himself, one of the most respected names in motorsport history.

Damn... Its was this accident which indirectly caused Massa the race.

Whilst, Massa lost the WDC by a single point in 2008.
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^^^Dunno man! Sports has got a whole new definition lately, a commercial one that too.
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