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Old 18th September 2009, 21:05   #91
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So Piquet jr. got his revenge on Flavio but he is also shooting himself in the foot.

He was very much a part of that race fixing and could face a career ban from FIA and possible criminal charges in Singapore juristriction.

You are spot on there, Piquet Jnr has just ruled himself out of motorsport. Letting the cat of the bag doesn't mean that he will get away with it. The whole world knows that he wouldn't have let it out if he wasn't shunted out of Renault. He is as much a cheat as Flavio and Pat.
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Old 18th September 2009, 22:21   #92
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I doubt if Singapore's courts will try to prosecute Renault. They don't want to drag F1 through their courts (which are pretty harsh once they start on this stuff). Having F1 is much too important to them to risk it by punishing teams for crimes here.
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so that quite means the end of a very brief F1 stint. feel sorry for Piquet Jr. But i recollect reading somewhere that FIA is giving him immunity for coming clean with the truth.
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so that quite means the end of a very brief F1 stint. feel sorry for Piquet Jr. But i recollect reading somewhere that FIA is giving him immunity for coming clean with the truth.
But FIA cant give him a racing seat. Looks like his racing career is as good as over.
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But FIA cant give him a racing seat. Looks like his racing career is as good as over.
Well that has nothing to do with the scandal. He was a pretty pathetic driver to begin with.
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Yeah Agree. I cant see Piquet Jr ever again in F1 unless his dad buys a team or takes a majorty stake. I guess they thought they had nothing to lose and bought Flavio and Pat down with them.
According to Pat Symmonds, it was Piquet's idea to which he agreed.

They can give him a life ban or a 10 year ban (which is just as harsh). In fact its easier to punish Piquet because he's a driver than Flav or Pat.
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But FIA cant give him a racing seat. Looks like his racing career is as good as over.
true. his racing career is finished per se. but hes not going to get penalized.
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According to Pat Symmonds, it was Piquet's idea to which he agreed.

They can give him a life ban or a 10 year ban (which is just as harsh). In fact its easier to punish Piquet because he's a driver than Flav or Pat.
Why should we believe Pat Symonds? He could be lying for all we know. Doesn't matter whose idea it was, if he agreed to it that means he knew about the crash beforehand.

But you are right, Piquet is the one who is going to be hurt most. Even if FIA doesn't punish him, his racing career is over. He is still in early stages of his career, while the other two for sure have made enough money to take care of themselves for the rest of their lives.
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Also, I really cant believe that Piquet Jr is so fragile minded that he accepted to do this. You really dont belong in F1 if you can be so easily co-erced.
It's not a question of being fragile-minded. I'm not so sure that other drivers on the grid who are desperate for a race seat and in Piquet Jr's position will behave otherwise.

I guess everyone is assumed honest, ethical and straight-forward until given a large enough temptation. Its only then that we know whether the person really has all those characteristics.

In the F1 world, even champions have regularly resorted to desperate measures to win.
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According to Pat Symmonds, it was Piquet's idea to which he agreed.

They can give him a life ban or a 10 year ban (which is just as harsh). In fact its easier to punish Piquet because he's a driver than Flav or Pat.
Somehow PIquet Jr. doesnt strike me intelligent enough to suggest something like that

The entire transcripts got leaked. Link Below

REVEALED: The dossiers of evidence going before the Nelson Piquet 'crash-gate' hearing | Mail Online

You can see from Pat's interview and his refusal to answer pointed questions that guilty will be the obvious conclusion. But Now Renault has complied and fired Flav/Pat, Im sure a Deal has been done with FIA and I doubt we are going to hear the full truth behind the incident.
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This is indeed a sad moment for F1.
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Its D-Day tomorrow. Let's see what happens
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Renault given two year suspended ban.
Flavio given lifetime ban from FIA.

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BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | Renault handed suspended F1 ban

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Well this is a farce really. It was almost universally agreed that McLaren's spying was a far lesser crime yet they receive a huge fine, exclusion from the WCC and no cash for their points. Renault spying on McLaren data get them no punishment. Now Renault get virtually nothing for crashgate except that they lose Symonds and Briatore. Why? Because Renault aren't as rich and might quit. So no punishment at all? Disgusting.

Even if the FIA are so paranoid about losing one manufacturer (despite having thirteen others lining up), why the hell is Alonso spared? If they have found Renault of deliberately crashing, then they should have found "eyebrows" guilty too because there is no way in hell he didn't know about it. He should be banned just as Symonds has been. Pathetic

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Well this is a farce really.
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Pathetic
Plus 1 to that. The ruling just makes a mockery of sportsmanship and fair play.
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