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Old 22nd September 2009, 12:55   #121
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Renault were found guilty of that crime too, not by McLaren, but by the WMSC.
I stand corrected but then, the point i was trying to drive home was that renault was always shown brotherly love by the FIA. If we count the Benetton episode too, then I'll change my statement and state the FB was given the brotherly love all the while. This is an eyewash called penalty.
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I stand corrected but then, the point i was trying to drive home was that renault was always shown brotherly love by the FIA. If we count the Benetton episode too, then I'll change my statement and state the FB was given the brotherly love all the while. This is an eyewash called penalty.
No I'm agreeing with you, not correcting you. Renault were accused by Mclaren of spying and the thing went to court and the WMSC verdict said that Mclaren material was indeed used on the Renault car. Precisely the same crime as Mclaren on Ferrari.
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Renault were found guilty of that crime too, not by McLaren, but by the WMSC.
Both Renault and McLaren were let off during the 1st hearing on the condition that it will be revisited on new evidence emerging. It emerged with Mclaren and we know what happened. It didnt in case of Renault.

On this race-fixing, I find it bad that Renault have not been given any penalty. Atleast a fine should have been levied. So now any team can cheat, and then come clean and fire their employees and escape penalty. What if it happens during a race like Brazil of the past 2 years?

FIA are a bunch of incompetent jokers and they deal penalties as Max sees fit.
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So Piquet got away with nothing. Renault got away with pretty much nothing.

Flavio and Symmonds are at retirement age anyway so ban doesn't mean much to them. Besides they can still pursue careers in racing related business.

Now how many millions did McLaren have to pay as fine last year for spygate???
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And does any one know what is the "conclusive evidence"? I think it is lost that how it was done and why it was done. Did Pat and Flav admit explicitly? Or I am missing something.
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And does any one know what is the "conclusive evidence"? I think it is lost that how it was done and why it was done. Did Pat and Flav admit explicitly? Or I am missing something.
They didn't present a defence so I assume that means they're admitting to the allegations. So no proof was needed. But I wonder what would have happened if they had protested innocence...
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It is really annoying and disheartening to see the softer stance that FIA has been taking on critical issues recently.
It started with Liar gate scandal earlier this year, with Mclaren been let off. Although this was not a "huge crime" but judging by the reputation that FIA held previously it was a surprise.
Renault been let off this easily comes as a true shocker
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Renault been let off this easily comes as a true shocker
Like they say "The show must go on" right ?
If most biggies are banned for life or a good term, people/companies/sponsorers are not going to waste time on amatures right ?
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It is really annoying and disheartening to see the softer stance that FIA has been taking on critical issues recently.
It started with Liar gate scandal earlier this year, with Mclaren been let off. Although this was not a "huge crime" but judging by the reputation that FIA held previously it was a surprise.
Renault been let off this easily comes as a true shocker
Yeah and McLaren lost Ron Dennis and Dave Ryan to liegate. Renault have lost Flavio and Symonds. The logic seems to be to fire key people or face huge fines.
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Like they say "The show must go on" right ?
If most biggies are banned for life or a good term, people/companies/sponsorers are not going to waste time on amatures right ?
Thats an interesting point of view, but i firmly believe that the punishment could have been harsher. Formula one in its past have had a good share of controversies and FIA have punished them harshly at the blink of an eye. FIA have always taken their stance (pretty strict) and never have lost business but they maintained credibility.

Running F1 with its integrity at stake is not a highly recommended strategy.
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F1 has always been 'fixing' things. Remember in the heyday of Schumi-Ferrari domination F1 (read Max-Bernie) went all out to stop Schumi. Changed the points schedule from 10-6... to 10-8... etc. So nothing new. It is a tamasha.
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So who is this mystery chap?

'Witness X' condemned Briatore - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com

I'd bet on it being either Alonso's engineer or Alonso himself.
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So think about this, if Alonso did not win last year at Singapore, what would it do to the c'ship.

Massa can sue the FIA and ask for the title to be given to him.
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So think about this, if Alonso did not win last year at Singapore, what would it do to the c'ship.

Massa can sue the FIA and ask for the title to be given to him.
That would be unfair. Both drivers' mindsets would be completely different going into the next few races. For instance, Hamilton would've aimed for the win in Brazil and not fifth.
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That would be unfair. Both drivers' mindsets would be completely different going into the next few races. For instance, Hamilton would've aimed for the win in Brazil and not fifth.
Definitely Agree. The teams would have approached the races differently.
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