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Old 14th September 2009, 15:21   #106
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Kimi has been having these wonderful starts of late. Making up places and using KERS nicely. It makes it all the more exciting. And it is indeed KERS and his determination that kept the faster FI cars behind.
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It is very natural and perhaps interesting to discuss and try to bring out a different scenario from what transpired by injecting a lot of "IFs?" If Hamilton had a good start, would it help him get just ahead of button after the last pit? If Kimi was able to pass hamilton during the start, Hamilton's pace will certainly be affected and hence will not be at the same place at the same time where the accident occured. Would he have scored some points then?. If Sutil's pit stop went smooth and Kimi's pit stop did not have that momentary hicup. If webber was not knocked off on the first turn. If Alonso's KERS worked as expected at the start. If ferrari did not stop their development on this year's car. If Vettel was not running with his last engine. IF Fisi was still driving for FI. If that spring did not came out of Ruben's car.

As F1 drivers often like to say, 'at the end of the day' the IF's becomes meaningless.

Still.. its fun
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As F1 drivers often like to say, 'at the end of the day' the IF's becomes meaningless.
Of course if you bring all hypothetical situations, anything is possible

According to me the single most important 'IF' is what if Heikki had a good start?
He lost places to both Brawn cars at the start in spite of having KERS, which helped the Brawns greatly to make their 1-stopper work. If Heikki had stayed ahead, he could have slowed the Brawns and helped Lewis keep the P1. If Lewis was ahead of the Brawns after the pit stops, he could have won easily.

Heikki probably lost a good chance yesterday to keep his next season's chances alive.
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Of course if you bring all hypothetical situations, anything is possible

According to me the single most important 'IF' is what if Heikki had a good start?
He lost places to both Brawn cars at the start in spite of having KERS, which helped the Brawns greatly to make their 1-stopper work. If Heikki had stayed ahead, he could have slowed the Brawns and helped Lewis keep the P1. If Lewis was ahead of the Brawns after the pit stops, he could have won easily.

Heikki probably lost a good chance yesterday to keep his next season's chances alive.
Yeah, from fuel corrected pole to a sixth (seventh if it weren't for some action at the end). A really poor drive.
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OT makes us feel proud eh. I felt likewise when i spotted a bullet in US.!!
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A very enjoyable race ultimately decided on pit strategy. I feel sorry for Hamilton but he should have been sensible and driven a bit slower in the final lap.
In a season where Hamilton and McLaren have nothing to lose, this is the way he should be driving - on the limit all the time. He hadn't put a foot wrong till the lap and was quicker than anyone else.
Ross Brawn's strategy just worked better than the others.
Raikkonen is nothing short of extremely lucky to have finished in third. First due to the Hamilton crash and second due to Force India goofing up Sutil's pit stop when Ferrari goofed up theirs.
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Well the point is that you don't know when Ferrari are going to stop. Sure they can try predicting it but they can't get it 100% right. Besides, Sutil messed up by coming in too fast and knocking a mechanic down. If not, they could have got that place since Ferrari also messed up their stop. I'm happy that Kimi didn't take Sutil out for a change

Yeah, thats something you expect the other person to goof up. But the pit stops could have been planned better by Force India. They definitely lost an opportunity. If Ferrari would have been faster and Kimi would have been at tail of Sutil, they would have made the right pit stops to ensure that they lead in the next round.
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Hi guys it wasn't mistake of the pit crew rather Sutil not able to make a good breaking at the pits he goofed up ,you can see the same in the replays .
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In a season where Hamilton and McLaren have nothing to lose, this is the way he should be driving - on the limit all the time. He hadn't put a foot wrong till the lap and was quicker than anyone else.
Ross Brawn's strategy just worked better than the others.
Raikkonen is nothing short of extremely lucky to have finished in third. First due to the Hamilton crash and second due to Force India goofing up Sutil's pit stop when Ferrari goofed up theirs.
Kimi got lucky to be on the podium. But, he fought to hold to the position keeping a faster FI car behind throught the race. And the Ferrari is not one of the fastest car to be up there!

It was Sutil who goofed up his chances taking down a mechanic when he braked too late coming into the pit and the same happened with Kimi as he was in a hurry to quickly get out of the pits. What people thought to be Kimi's engine stall was actually Kimi's strong reflex to stop to get the final go .

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Ya suddenly F1 is getting more interesting because of Force India

1) Hamilton = Great chance missed by a whisker, he's agressive, but that'll not help.
2) Kimi = Stood like a wall,and that paid off
3) Sutil = He's suddenly showing a great race pace, he can do better.
4) Fisi = Looks like he's still learning an F1 car, from 2nd in previous race to a dismal 9th
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Kimi got lucky to be on the podium. But, he fought to hold to the position keeping a faster FI car behind throught the race. And the Ferrari is not one of the fastest car to be up there!
No question about that. He got a good start and did whatever he could do best with it.
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4) Fisi = Looks like he's still learning an F1 car, from 2nd in previous race to a dismal 9th
That just shows how bad the F60 has been and also the things Massa & Kimi could do special with that car
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That just shows how bad the F60 has been and also the things Massa & Kimi could do special with that car
Not to forget that it took Kimi almost half a season to come to grips with this handful of a car and Fisi has just had one race.......did a damn good job I thought, particularly when you consider Badoer's performance in two races
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Yeah of course Fisi is not bad in the Ferrari with the KERS it is one awful car compared with all other top cars ,moreover Ferrari have stopped developing it too .

In my opinion both Felipe and Kimi were really doing good with a bad car ,hope Fisi adapts to it soon and score some good points for Ferrari to retain the 3rd spot in constructors.
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Hi guys it wasn't mistake of the pit crew rather Sutil not able to make a good breaking at the pits he goofed up ,you can see the same in the replays .
Yup, only if they had planned to overtake Kimi on that pit stop. Thats what pit stop strategy means, if you are fast and not able to overtake the leader, then go for pit stop emerge out and make faster lap timings so that when the other one goes for pit stops you keep the lead.
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