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Old 11th December 2009, 03:10   #1
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Formula 1 could be in for another radical change in the points system . This is proposed because of the grid expanding to 26 cars next season which is a significant increase compared to recent years .
The difference in points between the first , second and third positions will increase and this should help in more spirited fights for victory rather than setteling for a comfortable second .
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Formula 1 is set for a radical alteration to its points system in 2010 if the World Motor Sport Council approves an F1 Commission proposal to give points to the top 10 finishers in each race.
In today's Commission meeting, chaired by Bernie Ecclestone and attended by FIA president Jean Todt, a new scoring system was put forward which will award 25 points to each race winner, 20 for second place, 15 for third and 10 for fourth, before descending 8-6-5-3-2-1 for fifth through 10th positions.
The change has been proposed to take into account the increased field for 2010, when the addition of the new entrants will take the grid up to 26 cars, its highest figure since 1995.
Assuming it is approved by the WMSC, the change would be the first revision to the points system since the number of scoring drivers per race was increased from six to eight in 2003.
The F1 Commission also agreed that its Sporting Working Group sub-committee should develop "detailed proposals to improve the show" that would take effect next year, and that "the FIA and FOM will further collaborate to enhance the communication and promotion of the championship to the media and its worldwide fanbase."

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Old 11th December 2009, 12:25   #2
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This is a good move. It will ensure that drivers fight more for positions on track (with no refuelling too) as the incentive for making up a place will be more.

This points system seems similar to the MotoGP points system.
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While its good that the top ten positions get points, overall, this is quite unnecessary. We've had 26 car grids with only the top six getting points in the past. There was no problem back then. In fact, under this new system, the points ratio is

10
8
6
4
3.2
2.4
2
1.2
0.8
0.4

That means that there is no added incentive for drivers at the front to fight any harder. And this new system has the exact same flaw as the current one. The gap between first and second is exactly the same as the gap between second and third. My favorite points system was the 10-6-4-3-2-1. It was balanced and rewarded the winner more. This whole change is pretty pointless.

Edit: Just realized that this also renders all points records of the past useless. For instance, Schumacher's 144 points in a season record will almost certainly be beaten.

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Well they've gone and done it now.

New points system confirmed - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com

Sheesh!
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My favorite points system was the 10-6-4-3-2-1. It was balanced and rewarded the winner more. This whole change is pretty pointless.

Edit: Just realized that this also renders all points records of the past useless. For instance, Schumacher's 144 points in a season record will almost certainly be beaten.
Even my favourite was the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 .

I was reading comments on another site and someone suggested that there should be points for everyone and only then one would get a clear picture of whose better than who at the end of the year .

Regarding the record I think they should take out a percentage of points scored from points available and then establish the record holder .
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Old 12th December 2009, 01:16   #6
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My favorite points system was the 10-6-4-3-2-1. It was balanced and rewarded the winner more. This whole change is pretty pointless.
Yeah, that points system was the best. I didn't like it when they changed to the 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1.
But now they cannot go back to the old one since a lot of $$$ incentives are tied into each point scored.

Anyway whether we like it or not this is going to stay.

OT: One thing though, I feel the rulemakers should have concentrated on making rules that aid mechanical grip and have a consistent set of rules say for a 4 year period rather than going around and playing with the points system. KERS - what a waste
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Guys, can someone confirm if the FIA has implemented the proposed "driver with max race wins takes the championship" rule for next season? If yes, then this points system is only for sharing money between the teams and we (viewers) have nothing to do with it. Doesn't matter what point system they follow!
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Guys, can someone confirm if the FIA has implemented the proposed "driver with max race wins takes the championship" rule for next season? If yes, then this points system is only for sharing money between the teams and we (viewers) have nothing to do with it. Doesn't matter what point system they follow!
No. Bernie's medal idea was dropped so the points system that is used does matter!
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Just giving them points based on finishing position is of no use. If you really want to make things interesting, start awarding 0.5 for each of their efforts.

Drivers points (0.5 points each)
1. Pole Position during qualifying
2. Fastest lap in the race
3. Most positions gained from start to finish of the race.
4. Fastest trap speed during a race.
5. Fastest cornering speed during a race.

Contructors points (0.5 points each)
1. Fastest pitstop
2. Most successful team over the race weekend (add the combined points gained by both drivers of the same team during qualifying and the big race and see which team scores the highest overall)
3. Highest number of laps done during a race without a pitstop (will favour those with 1 stop strategy).

Add things like these and then see how the champioship turns out. F1 will have to employ 4 times the number of statisticians, just cal these things. LOL

But can you imagine the suspense on the last lap of the last race?

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Contructors points (0.5 points each)
1. Fastest pitstop
2. Most successful team over the race weekend (add the combined points gained by both drivers of the same team during qualifying and the big race and see which team scores the highest overall)
3. Highest number of laps done during a race without a pitstop (will favour those with 1 stop strategy).

Add things like these and then see how the champioship turns out. F1 will have to employ 4 times the number of statisticians, just cal these things. LOL

But can you imagine the suspense on the last lap of the last race?

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Over the course of 20 races, a team will do 1 second pitstops every race and gain 10 points easily, far more than what some hardworking teams would be capable of getting with proper racing.

Why don't they leave all the bullshit at the door and do some actual racing on proper tracks rather than having disneylands hold races where the surrounding buildings are given more coverage than the cars on the track.
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Over the course of 20 races, a team will do 1 second pitstops every race and gain 10 points easily, far more than what some hardworking teams would be capable of getting with proper racing.
Its not that easy. If a team can manage a 1 sec stop, the next stop will have to be longer, or else the car will run out of fuel.

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Its not that easy. If a team can manage a 1 sec stop, the next stop will have to be longer, or else the car will run out of fuel.

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No refuelling next year, my friend. So all cars will always have enough fuel to the end of the race, else they will not score any points anyways. Just a simple wing adjustment would also be counted as a pitstop, and something that wouldn't take over a second. That would be enough to give them 0.5 points, enough to make a new team's owner salivate.
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No refuelling next year, my friend. So all cars will always have enough fuel to the end of the race, else they will not score any points anyways
I wasn't talking about what the rules already are. These were all hypothetical suggestions to make the champioship exciting.

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pranavt is right. Its commonly agreed by most motorsport fans that if at all points are awarded for anything other than finishing position, it should be for the fastest lap and/or pole position in qualifying. Nothing else. The others are just ways for backmarkers to sneak a point or two.
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There is a technical flaw in this system as discussed in some other forums.
5 Points for 7th place doesn't seem justified. The incentive to aim for the next higher position should remain constant or go up as you move up in positions. But in this system 7th to 6th place is just 1 point while 8th to 7th is 2 points. If 7th place gets 4 points, then it will be consistent.

1 25 (+5)
2 20 (+5)
3 15 (+5)
4 10 (+2)
5 8 (+2)
6 6 (+1)
7 5 (+2)

8 3 (+1)
9 2 (+1)
10 1

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