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Old 1st June 2010, 15:10   #106
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Why would you say that Vettel was into a high pressure situation when the team was choreographing this move? Webber was losing straight line speed and the team wanted Vettel to move ahead to stay away from Hamilton! Hamilton's pace at that moment was a potential risk to the bulls.

Marko was infact blaming Webber for the same reason as it was a team decision and Webber left his ego into that corner really high for all this mess.
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Old 1st June 2010, 16:13   #107
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And, why was Hamilton looking pissed while he was on his way to the podium ceremony?

He dint show his excitement/joy for his first win of the season either when he got out of his car! I missed a wee bit of the race. Did anything happen?
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@anachronix

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/1912709-post51.html

That's my opinion on it anyway. They seem to have patched up now but its obvious: No more favours, no more nice guys. This is now a fight for the championship and its every man for himself

P.S. If you missed the Button Hamilton battle, do watch the replays. Whatever the circumstances, some really excellent wheel to wheel racing there.

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Old 1st June 2010, 16:22   #109
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Oops! It happened at Mclaren as well! Good that the Mclarens came out in shape unlike the bulls.
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I've never heard of this Marko guy. Horner and Newey are the 2 guys that run the show and both are mum.

The only other possibility is that the team informed Webber to let Vettel overtake but he refused and now they are upset with him.
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This is what Red Bull Racing Team Principal Christian Horner said in a press conf.
Source:gpupdate

We had a unique situation during the Turkish Grand Prix where the first four cars were separated by two seconds, with Mark having led every lap until Lap 40. The race was the fastest of the season to date, with all four drivers pushing each other extremely hard.

On Lap 38, Mark changed his mixture setting based on his fuel consumption to a slightly leaner mode, which had an average lap time loss of about 0.18 seconds, whilst maintaining the same revs. Sebastian had conserved more fuel than Mark during the race and therefore was able to run in a slightly better mode for an additional couple of laps.

On Laps 38 and 39, Sebastian's pace picked up and he closed right up to the back of Mark while under considerable pressure from Hamilton behind. After a very strong run through Turn 9, Sebastian got a run and strong tow and moved to the left to pass Mark. Mark held the inside line and adopted a defensive position, which he is entitled to do. When Sebastian was three quarters of the way past, he moved to the right.

As Sebastian moved to the right, Mark held his position and the ensuing result was contact that resulted in Sebastian retiring, Mark damaging the front-end of his car and the team losing a one two finish. Ultimately both drivers should have given each other more room.
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Very diplomatic answer and maintains the harmony in the team. Doesn't blame either.

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On Laps 38 and 39, Sebastian's pace picked up and he closed right up to the back of Mark while under considerable pressure from Hamilton behind.
Pressure or not Vettel is ambitious and is going for a win.

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Mark held the inside line and adopted a defensive position, which he is entitled to do.
So legally Mark is clear

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When Sebastian was three quarters of the way past, he moved to the right.
3/4 of the way past is no good! You have to fully pass the car before you swerve in front of him. (haven't we all overtaken on the highway)

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As Sebastian moved to the right, Mark held his position and the ensuing result was contact that resulted in Sebastian retiring.
I doubt Webber had time to react. It happened so quickly. If anything Vettel could have swerved left again after he realised that Webber is staying put and tried again next lap. We see failed overtaking moves all the time.
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@mpower, rightly said. Well, looks like webber is cool about it. Warner has also told that he will sit with drivers. Hope they will resolve it and let the bulls fly !
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When Sebastian was three quarters of the way past, he moved to the right.
According to Vettel "he lost the car" when he " moved to the right " . It may have been due to some bumps on the track or may be a genuine mistake by Vettel .
Loved the reactions after the accident , Vettel the angry young gun and Webber (in the press conference) the calm mature but equally angry old (relatively) man ! The gloves are off and its "game on" for the championship .
I hope the RedBulls can maintain their competetiveness .
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Incidentally, the first comment from Horner right after the accident was "racing incident" and 50-50 blame. Later, he retracted it and blamed Webber entirely.

And ask yourself this. If indeed it was Webber's fault, why didn't the FIA impose a penalty after investigating the incident? It is obvious isn't it? The FIA didn't investigate it for two reasons:

a) It was Vettel's fault and you can't penalize someone after they've already retired or
b) It was a racing incident and no one should be penalized.

No way can it be Webber's fault as the FIA would have to impose a penalty if that was the case.

I'm yet to see a statement from Marko admitting that it wasn't Webber's mistake.

Marko perpetuates the blame game | Planet F1 | Formula One | News, Standings, Results, Features, Video

@CPH, I hope you see the real picture clearly now. It was NOT Webber's fault
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^^ Did you miss this post?

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/intl-m...ml#post1916450 (2010 F1 Istanbul - Turkish Grand prix)

Webber held his line without giving enough space to Vettel. Vettel did it too quick assuming Webber was aware of the team's decision to let Vettel in front. Webber dint give up his racing line making Vettel spin out. I would look at it as a mis-communication between the team & drivers as a cause for the whole incident!

If its not mis-communication then I would blame it on Webber like how Marko did after the race!
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I think MPower's post clarifies what is necessary. I agree fully with what he has said and that takes the blame off Webber.
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Old 2nd June 2010, 14:31   #118
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Let's move on and look forward to racing in Circuit Gilles Villeneuve.

Even Red Bull has done so.

autosport.com - F1 News: Red Bull accepts Webber not to blame
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Not yet!

autosport.com - F1 News: Horner: Webber asked Vettel to back off
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No matter whom the blame lies with,hope this incident brings back "ICE MAN" into F1 again :-)
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