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Old 14th January 2013, 12:30   #271
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Will a processor be able to overcome the shortcomings of such a cheap HU? It may make it sound better but wont it distort?

Already there is a slight distortion in the system, as the amp has to take input from the high level signals from the HU. Wont a processor introduce more noise in the circuit?
Yes it certainly will. The processor will take the high level inputs your amp is currently getting, and give out low level inputs to your amps. The stock HU does nothing after the processor, besides read from the CD or whatever, and pass it on to the processor which does everything.
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Yes it certainly will. The processor will take the high level inputs your amp is currently getting, and give out low level inputs to your amps. The stock HU does nothing after the processor, besides read from the CD or whatever, and pass it on to the processor which does everything.
Again, so that's my worry. The more you process the signal, end result will be introducing more noise at every stage, right? This will introduce 3 layers of signal processing- at HU level, dsp level and the amplifier.

With an aftermarket HU, only the amplifier does the job. I believe the end result will be smooth, when compared.

Anyways, need to wait for march bonus for either modifications.

Edit: akshay 1234 and 4587: Confusing.

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Again, so that's my worry. The more you process the signal, end result will be introducing more noise at every stage, right? This will introduce 3 layers of signal processing- at HU level, dsp level and the amplifier.

With an aftermarket HU, only the amplifier does the job. I believe the end result will be smooth, when compared.

Anyways, need to wait for march bonus for either modifications.
I meant it will overcome the shortcomings of the stock HU, and not introduce more noise.

Your stock HU processing will be overwritten by the Processor, I don't understand how the amp is processing anything.

Either way, I've got a processor on my Accord, since I wanted to keep the stock HU. I had my amps connected to high level inputs before the processor and there used to be some noise, after the processor it sounds much, much better. I am using an Alpine processor.
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I meant it will overcome the shortcomings of the stock HU, and not introduce more noise.

Your stock HU processing will be overwritten by the Processor, I don't understand how the amp is processing anything.

Either way, I've got a processor on my Accord, since I wanted to keep the stock HU. I had my amps connected to high level inputs before the processor and there used to be some noise, after the processor it sounds much, much better. I am using an Alpine processor.
Nice to hear first hand info.

What was the cost of the Alpine? I have a guess that it would still be way ahead of my budget though.

Did you get a demo from any store?
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Nice to hear first hand info.

What was the cost of the Alpine? I have a guess that it would still be way ahead of my budget though.

Did you get a demo from any store?
Picked it up for $200. Got a great deal on it off Ebay. Alpine PXE-H650. But I'm sure you will be able to get the JL Cleansweep or similar for under 20k.
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4 days after the 25k kms update - the odo now reads close to 26k kms. Took advantage of the extended weekend and had a small visit to bangalore.

This time though - I maintained a speed of 90-100 kmph and got my best highway figure till date! From Richmonds circle, bangalore to Velachery, Chennai - A distance of around 350kms - I got an average FE of 23.5 km/l.

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Can't believe it just returns around 16 - 17 kmpl at 110 - 120 kmph, all thanks to the short 5th gear!
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This time though - I maintained a speed of 90-100 kmph and got my best highway figure till date! From Richmonds circle, bangalore to Velachery, Chennai - A distance of around 350kms - I got an average FE of 23.5 km/l.
To tell you something, I was getting pretty bad FE figs with my 1.4 TDCi.

Checked the air-pressure & now I ride the torque wave instead of putting my foot down & guess what...? Have done 400kms & the needle isn't at half-way mark still. A pleasant surprise if you ask me. I tend to do ~90kmph with gentle accelerator inputs.

Needless to say, despite doing close to 500kms a day, one doesn't feel fatigued at all.
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Just a few days ago we were discussing about head units as you said your volume control knob is busted and voila - Tata managed to spoil my whole HU.

I had gone for service yesterday and one foolish chap was spraying something inside the ac vents, when asked he told it was some ac cleaner and i told him to be careful as the foam was dripping down. As i feared, after the car came out of washing and the HU display was gone, no black lettering, only amber light. As for jugaad, the SA let the heater on full for 15-20 minutes and told me moisture might have entered, the HU buttons were not working and volume controls on steering not working too. Came back home and midway, every thing went fine and all was good but today again i lost all controls

Instead of fighting with Tata and visiting them again, am thinking of a new Pioneer touch screen HU, maybe God wants this . Do let me know if you have anything in mind, am biased towards pioneer.
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CD, the volume control behaviour is exactly the same in all Puntos. Do not worry.
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Just a few days ago we were discussing about head units as you said your volume control knob is busted and voila - Tata managed to spoil my whole HU.

I had gone for service yesterday and one foolish chap was spraying something inside the ac vents, when asked he told it was some ac cleaner and i told him to be careful as the foam was dripping down. As i feared, after the car came out of washing and the HU display was gone, no black lettering, only amber light. As for jugaad, the SA let the heater on full for 15-20 minutes and told me moisture might have entered, the HU buttons were not working and volume controls on steering not working too. Came back home and midway, every thing went fine and all was good but today again i lost all controls

Instead of fighting with Tata and visiting them again, am thinking of a new Pioneer touch screen HU, maybe God wants this . Do let me know if you have anything in mind, am biased towards pioneer.
Horrible to say the least. You should take this up with FIAT and see that the people who were careless are taken to task.

On the unit, you cannot mount a double din HU in the Linea. Though the unit looks like a double din, its actually a single din.

Are there single din touch screen HU?
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On the unit, you cannot mount a double din HU in the Linea. Though the unit looks like a double din, its actually a single din.
Are there single din touch screen HU?
Mailed all the higher ups at FIAT just now, i hope they respond. Used to mail Mr Rajeev Kapoor earlier and get work done in a jiffy but he has left now and his mail doesnt work. The head unit isnt working, only playing music, no buttons beside the volume knob works.

Yes 2 din HU cant be fitted and i dont like the looks of 1 din HU's so gonna stick with the same head unit. Will have to again visit TASS, really hate it.
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Mailed all the higher ups at FIAT just now, i hope they respond. Used to mail Mr Rajeev Kapoor earlier and get work done in a jiffy but he has left now and his mail doesnt work. The head unit isnt working, only playing music, no buttons beside the volume knob works.

Yes 2 din HU cant be fitted and i dont like the looks of 1 din HU's so gonna stick with the same head unit. Will have to again visit TASS, really hate it.
I know this should not have happened at the first place. But still would urge you to shoot an email marking Mangesh. He should be able to get things moving quite briskly. Do let me know if you need any help from my side.
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Mangesh is very helpful and will revert in a day. He helped me twice so far in my 10 months of Fiat ownership.
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Have been driving this Verito extensively for past 2 weeks. Since both are at same price points and represent two extremes - hoping to do a small comparo with pics soon.

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CD, the volume control behaviour is exactly the same in all Puntos. Do not worry.
Did not understand! Are you facing the same issue?

Mine was perfectly alright till few weeks back. Now increasing the volume more often than not tends to decrease it by steep margin.
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Needless to say, despite doing close to 500kms a day, one doesn't feel fatigued at all.
At 90 kmph, my wife got really angry - and asked - why are you driving so slow! I had to reply - I am at 90 dear, and thats fast enough!

Love this speed masking ability of modern cars. My WagonR used to be all over the place at 100 km/h.
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Mailed all the higher ups at FIAT just now, i hope they respond. Used to mail Mr Rajeev Kapoor earlier and get work done in a jiffy but he has left now and his mail doesnt work. The head unit isnt working, only playing music, no buttons beside the volume knob works.

Yes 2 din HU cant be fitted and i dont like the looks of 1 din HU's so gonna stick with the same head unit. Will have to again visit TASS, really hate it.
Sorry you had to face such trouble because of FIAT A.S.S. I am trying to get an anointment for the HU issue. Seems they are busy shifting to new FIAT only facility (just my guess).

I know i will be ruining the looks with an aftermarket 1-DIN HU, but i really can't live with the poor quality HU anymore. My next bonus is going through this drain for sure.
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Yeah, the behaviour is the same in my 75HP and also the new 90HP.

I feel the volume knob works that way, at a certain angle when we want to increase the volume, it rapidly goes to zero, exact thing happens in both our Puntos. Try placing your fingers at right angles to the knob and turn it, this wont happen, this is my observation.
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