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Old 12th November 2016, 11:23   #286
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Did this happen suddenly? Was there no sign of anything abnormal with the clutch earlier?
Yes that's right - there was no previous sign of anything abnormal with the clutch earlier. Just a simple straight driving and I started to feel the clutch was acting funny - like when I was pressing it was too soft, then when I tried to change gear the gear remained slotted where it was (in this case - it was 5th gear). I pumped the clutch and got a little bit of feeling - enough to re slot the gear. However, this was so temporary that I lost the clutch again within a couple of hundred yards. Slowly I managed to get it into neutral and pull up on the side.

My previous two experiences with clutch were years ago -

a) With Opel Corsa Sail - the clutch play was getting reduced but the feel was there. It was like the first 1" of the clutch pressing was not there and the rest was there. There was enough days like that until I took it to the Opel workshop and they replaced the clutch.

b) The next was Hyundai Santro - the clutch became hard but yes it was always functional. We were driving from Kolkata to Shantiniketan and I felt it was hard. But it was there - never like gone missing totally. The drive was completed with no incident.

So, to me the clutch going missing and the gear remaining slotted where it was - while driving was a spot of bother. Yes, the beauty of it was there was a MASS within a couple of kilometers, then another one in next 45 kms and another one after another 45-50 kms. Its a huge relief that one is able to call Maruti 24/7 helpline and they can send help over.


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So, I drove to Pratham motors, Outer Ring Road Bangalore today to check if the vehicle needed anything after the recent time in Gonipoppal.

All minus 2 services of my Ertiga have been done at Pratham over the last 4 years. I know most of the staff and certainly all the senior management people.

I gave them the detail story on Mandya, Mysore and Gonikoppal, they pulled out the record of what was done at these places and concluded that the clutch plate is not required to be touched. The reason they told me was that in case the clutch plate is not doing well then the acceleration will slow down, the power pick up won't be experienced and the vehicle will have very sluggish performance. Per them, if these indicators are not there, then clutch plate does not need to be touched.

I had asked the costing etc but it was the considered opinion of three people there that all work that was needed to be done had been done and the vehicle was all set.

The following had been changed in Mysore - clutch hydraulic assembly cylinder and in Gonikoppal the synchonizer rings had been replaced. So, based off on what had been replaced, based off on the present condition they determined that nothing needs to be done.

So, I came back. While I am happy that nothing is needed to be done, however, I am also confused if there is any nagging issue in the vehicle.

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concluded that the clutch plate is not required to be touched. The reason they told me was that in case the clutch plate is not doing well then the acceleration will slow down, the power pick up won't be experienced and the vehicle will have very sluggish performance. Per them, if these indicators are not there, then clutch plate does not need to be touched.
This is interesting! The correct way to address the Sync Ring issue is to also replace the entire clutch assembly along with these rings - This is to be done as a preventive and a proactive measure.

If you look at my update, at 97,000 kms my clutch was also healthy with no signs of judder or weakness and if not for the sync ring issue, it would have easily gone past 1.2 Lac kms at least without any sweat. In fact, even when the clutch was removed, the ASC confirmed that it was in good shape.

There have been good cases of the sync rings symptom cropping up again in next 10-15000 kms only because clutch was not replaced earlier.

You can read this entire thread running 6 pages and reviews from owners on Ertiga, Swift and Dzire regarding the synchronizer ring issue. You will notice how most of them who got the Sync rings replaced have also replaced the clutch kit as per recommendation/advise from MSIL.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...r-failure.html (Ertiga, Dzire & Swift: Gearbox Synchronizer Failure)

Further to this, I may add that when you are charged labor for dismantling and refitting the Gearbox, replacing the clutch is wise as you save completely on labor here since the Gearbox is anyway down for this job.
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This is interesting! The correct way to address the Sync Ring issue is to also replace the entire clutch assembly along with these rings - This is to be done as a preventive and a proactive measure.
....Further to this, I may add that when you are charged labor for dismantling and refitting the Gearbox, replacing the clutch is wise as you save completely on labor here since the Gearbox is anyway down for this job.
Thanks Parag.

This is indeed interesting. Or maybe I am missing something. Let me check the paperwork again - maybe the parts are called differently and billed differently.

I mean the car was at Gonikoppal for 2 full days - all parts required were available between there and Mysore. So, whatever was needed to be changed was changed and the vehicle has done more than 750 kms since then with no issues.

Let me check the paperwork again and see what was done and if there is something I am missing.

Will report back.

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Further to this, I may add that when you are charged labor for dismantling and refitting the Gearbox, replacing the clutch is wise as you save completely on labor here since the Gearbox is anyway down for this job.
+1 to everything and let me also add that, at whatever kilometers your/anyone's car presently is, the clutch must have at least seen half of its life. And when this entire circus is done, why not change it as it would better for both [synchro rings & clutch]
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Let me check the paperwork again and see what was done and if there is something I am missing.

Will report back.
You only need to ask the ASC why they think replacing clutch is not needed for the issue that you are facing and give examples of many who have replaced the clutch along with the Sync rings.


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+1 to everything and let me also add that, at whatever kilometers your/anyone's car presently is, the clutch must have at least seen half of its life. And when this entire circus is done, why not change it as it would better for both [synchro rings & clutch]
True. Even with a healthy clutch the "wear" is imminent and its still not really new!

Although it pained to spend on the clutch, eventually I was satisfied more because I would have had to spend on the clutch sooner or later and also pay labor again or I was skeptical that the issue will crop up again.

People asked me, what if the Sync ring issue comes up again with this new clutch and I said to me it surfaced first at 97,000 and I will wait for another 97,000 kms and won't mind spending then. For now, the big spending that waits are the tires and the Timing chain - Easily will make my wallet lighter by at least 35-36K .....But hey, that's what I am spending on usual wear and tear and for me most of these parts have seen super good life - Clutch, Brake Pads, Tires etc.

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Been a while since the last update.

The vehicle is now 73500 kms or so. Yes the clutch work is still pending. Something that I need to get done.

Recently I had the opportunity to drive an Innova. I had driven it earlier, but not for more than a couple of kms. This time was much longer. The vehicle, it seems is made for the highways - 7-8 people, two large enough suitcases, several small bags - what not. The vehicle was full and it was driving wonderfully well. However, I felt it was a bit sluggish and perhaps on the heavier side. I was also able to feel the ladder frame chassis.

It has a good suspension, wonderful engine - though I can say anything above 100 kmph was too noisy.

So, why am I saying this on my Ertiga thread. Comparisons were natural. Back in the day when I was planning to buy the Ertiga, I had a second hand Innova in mind. However, with the price (primarily) I gave a thums down to the Innova back then. Question (hypothetical) will I buy the Innova today. At around 24L on road for top end Innova - perhaps a no again. I am very happy with the Ertiga and it has served me well over the years and across a variety of terrains.

Ertiga gives me great flexibility, wonderful space utilizations, good engine, nimble handling and above all a good footprint.

The wheels keep rolling, travels continue. Sometimes 300-400 kms every week.

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So, this weekend required a huge movement.

A few household goods, a couple of furniture items (two single seat sofas), 5-6 suitcases of various things, ladder, gas cylinder, gas stove, mattresses and blankets from one house to another. So this is what I did -

Folded down the rear seat (in our case it is always folded down anyway) also folded down the middle bench. This is a good plus - it makes a good flat bed. That gave a huge cargo room.

I packed up two suitcases in the Thule roof top box, placed a 'chatai' on the flat seats, placed the sofa on top, and then another three suitcases, plus the mattress in a way that it does not block the view. The gas cylinder was placed in one corner. Two smaller bags with clothes went up in the roof top box.

All in all, the vehicle was full to the brim and I the only person seated. The distance to be covered was about 40 kms from HSR Layout to a place between Chikka Tirupati and Whitefield. There is a small broken patch short of Sarjapur. All the driving was, of course, sedate. The weight could have been perhaps an additional 550-600 kilos. The engine pulled through nicely, everything was smooth and when I reached the destination, everything was as it was packed good. Nothing broken or dented.

It has been a long time since I drove like this - fully packed. The last was Dec 2015 when I came driving from Gurgaon to Bangalore. And particularly from Mangalore to Bangalore. While driving past Sakleshpur we had stopped and taken several pieces of driftwood. The vehicle was full till the roof.

Full marks to Ertiga for the space, the engine, the flexibility and the cargo handling space.


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