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Old 26th August 2013, 16:11   #16
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I have previously tried rotating/swapping my tyres(front with the rear set) at the advise of the service attendant. I don't know whether this helped. I think it was changed at the 25,000Km service interval. I saw that the treads at the front were more depleted than at the rear.

Now, when I checked the tyres yesterday, all 4 have almost evened-out. I should be changing them before 50,000.
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I have previously tried rotating/swapping my tyres(front with the rear set) at the advise of the service attendant. I don't know whether this helped. I think it was changed at the 25,000Km service interval. I saw that the treads at the front were more depleted than at the rear.

Now, when I checked the tyres yesterday, all 4 have almost evened-out. I should be changing them before 50,000.
It depends on the roads you drive on. If it is bumpy and pothole filled then wheel alignment and balancing would be needed to be done frequent.

I do the Wheel Alignment and balancing every 5000 kms from outside guy and not at MASS and I am on the stock set of tyres that were given from factory. I use the manual's instruction for tyre rotation. I use the spare wheel also in the tyre rotation (5 tyre rotation)

If there is an uneven tyre wear then get you suspension check as a part would be damaged.

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It depends on the roads you drive on. If it is bumpy and pothole filled then wheel alignment and balancing would be needed to be done frequent.

I do the Wheel Alignment and balancing every 5000 kms from outside guy and not at MASS and I am on the stock set of tyres that were given from factory. I use the manual's instruction for tyre rotation. I use the spare wheel also in the tyre rotation (5 tyre rotation)

If there is an uneven tyre wear then get you suspension check as a part would be damaged.

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Thanks Anurag. The roads are bad on a few stretches on my daily route. I think its time for wheel alignment as well. I have to get this done quickly, as well as to check for any part damage.

The rest would have to wait for my service at MASS.
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After the 2000Km Journey over the past one week, I felt the ride has changed. There are more vibrations, more noises, and the feeling of the road is getting more apparent. The tyre check confirmed my fears.
Planning to go for tubeless tyres. Any suggestions for the best option for Alto? Would it be better to go for alloys?
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After the 2000Km Journey over the past one week, I felt the ride has changed. There are more vibrations, more noises, and the feeling of the road is getting more apparent. The tyre check confirmed my fears.
Get the suspension also checked while you change the tyres. They both go hand-in-hand.

I hope you are maintaining the tyre pressures correctly. Over-filling will make the ride harsh and Under-filling would make the ride pleasant but loose on tyre threads and life.

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Planning to go for tubeless tyres. Any suggestions for the best option for Alto? Would it be better to go for alloys?
For Alto's tyres section provided 145/80 R 12. These are your choices where I checked out Michelin, Yokohama and Bridgestone.

1) Michelin - Energy XM2,
2) Yokohama - Not available in this size,
3) Bridgestone - Turanza ER 60.

My suggestion are:

Go for the XM2 as it is better and would be silent when compared to the Bridgestone but the downside is due to softer compound rubber the life is slightly low when compared to the ER 60. The ER 60 has a harder compound so the life these would give would be longer and ride would be stiff.

If you encounter a lot of potholes on your journey then it is better to stick to steel wheels than shifting to Alloys. Other than improvement of looks I don't think anything else would be that effective.

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.....potholes on your journey then it is better to stick to steel wheels than shifting to Alloys....
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Thanks anurag. Why do you say steels are better than alloys? There is a small stretch on my daily route where the roads are particularly bad. Other-wise they remain good. I hear that bad roads are not good for steels. My dad's old indica had its front steel's bent a couple of times because of bad roads.
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Thanks anurag. Why do you say steels are better than alloys? There is a small stretch on my daily route where the roads are particularly bad. Other-wise they remain good. I hear that bad roads are not good for steels.
IMO steel wheels have better load bearing capacity and they flex also for the undulations on the road but the alloys are stiffer and delicate to pothole filled roads.

In how many trucks/buses/UV's have you seen alloys? All are steel wheels due to the weight bearing and easy adapting to our roads. Reliability factor is high with steel wheels.

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My dad's old indica had its front steel's bent a couple of times because of bad roads.
This would not have happened under normal conditions. If a steel wheel gets bent then the tyre would have hit a kerb or a pothole at high speeds so the shock was absorbed by the wheel and it got deformed/bent. It has done it's job but if it would been an alloy then the spokes would have broken (Chances are high).

Just check this out http://tires.about.com/od/understand...-The-Beast.htm

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Alloy Wheels:

Alloys do tend to bend easier than steels under road impacts, and have a tendency to crack if bent too far.

To degree to which an alloy wheel is pliable or brittle depends greatly on how much nickel is added to the aluminium to make the alloy – more nickel adds weight and tends to make the alloy more brittle, less means a lighter wheel that is softer and tends to bend more easily. Construction methods such as casting or pressure forging also have an effect on the alloy's strength.

Alloy wheels can be polished, painted, machined or chromed; different finishes should be cared for in different ways. They are also vulnerable to range of cosmetic damage such as curb scrapes, salt-water corrosion and acid cleaners.

Steel Wheels:

Steel wheels are significantly stronger than alloy wheels. It takes greater force to bend steel wheels, and it is almost impossible to crack them. Given their usual utilitarian look, purely cosmetic damage is not generally a major issue.

There are wheel covers that you can put on steels to make them look like alloy wheels; they often come on steels sold as OEM choices
Steels are also usually 75-80% less expensive than alloy wheels, making them great for a second set, and inexpensive to replace if badly damaged.

Thus for many reasons alloys are the only choice when high performance and/or looks are the qualities you need. Steels are generally better for those no-nonsense daily drivers, or for any cars that don't have to look pretty or do fancy manoeuvres because they work for a living.
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Thanks for the enlightenment Anurag. Yet another question, how are Alloys on highway drives. Will they make the drive more bumpy?
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Thanks for the enlightenment Anurag. Yet another question, how are Alloys on highway drives. Will they make the drive more bumpy?
Anytime Aneezan.

Bumpy ride would be characteristic of a high tyre pressure. Alloys would be smoother I guess and better heat dissipation.

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Anytime Aneezan.
.... Alloys would be smoother I guess and better heat dissipation.
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Great then. More justification for me to switch to alloys.
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Great then. More justification for me to switch to alloys.
Good decision but be careful on pothole roads. Don't drive fast it try as much as not hit a pothole.

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My alto completed 2years last month and I took her today to Sagar Automobiles for the first ever paid service. First he said interior shampoo washing will cost 650, and I said a firm no. To my shock the estimated service cost was close to 5800, including 1220 for service, 2600 for engine oil, break oil (may be 300), all break shoe inspection 500, wheel allignment 300, etc. I felt this was too high and felt that its better to check one more MASS, may be Kalyani Motors where I purchased. And if they quote the same figure, I am open to getting it servide outside of MASS.

Btw, the car has clocked 14000 km only, and I will be putting up my first long-term ownership report soon.
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To my shock the estimated service cost was close to 5800, including 1220 for service, 2600 for engine oil, break oil (may be 300), all break shoe inspection 500, wheel allignment 300, etc.
Engine oil will not come to Rs. 2600. Usually it will hover around Rs.1000 also since your car has done only 14K kms there is no need to go for gear oil change also.
Also personally I feel there is no need to change or specifically check break shoe at this service. You can opt for that at 20K service or higher and also do note that break inspection is part of the service checklist. Though all service centers try to put the tab separate. Wheel alignment cost is same as market rate, however you can also opt for a specialized alignment center and hope for a better job.
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To my shock the estimated service cost was close to 5800,
RUN RUN RUN dude! Dump that ASC. 3 litres of engine oil for the Alto would cost around 800 bucks. A paid service for Alto generally costs around 700 rupees. Add about Rs, 80/- for the oil filter. Gear oil change is not needed at this point and if your brake fluid is less than 2-2.5 years old, you can use it with just topping it up, if required. Wheel alignment is a thing best done outside the ASC at specialised tyre shops.

Anything more than 1500-1600 at this point of time for your Alto is a rip off, provided that there is no other problem with the car.
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To my shock the estimated service cost was close to 5800, including 1220 for service, 2600 for engine oil, break oil (may be 300), all break shoe inspection 500, wheel allignment 300, etc.
Engine oil (Mineral) - max 300 a litre

Brake oil - I don't think needs replacement.

Wheel alignment and balancing - please get it done at a place that specialises in wheel alignment and balancing. Both collectively must not be more than 500.

What quote you have been given is a pure rip off. Change the service centre.

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