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Old 24th October 2016, 15:23   #106
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Default Re: Trucking in my Atlantis! My Pre-Worshipped Toyota Fortuner 3.0L 4x4 MT - 160,000 km crunched

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HI. Thanks for the information.
See the attached image. This is a snapshot of the CROSS CONTACT AT sold in india earlier, that I have used 2 years ago. It came with the ribs you see on the sidewall. This gave it additional resistance to sidewall cuts when going through ruts.
Hi Jay

I am not sure if this rib design was there earlier as per your image. Please see below...

1. Karan561's Cross Contact AT tire pattern from 2013 link (My Fortuner Tyre Upgrade: Continental Cross Contact A/T)
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2. My tire's pattern in 2016
Trucking in my Atlantis! My Pre-Worshipped Toyota Fortuner 3.0L 4x4 MT - 160,000 km crunched-img_3580.jpg

As you can see both 2013 and 2016 tire designs in this case are absolutely same.

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These ribs are now missing from the current tires sold. It might seem insignificant on road, but it does make a difference Offroad.
The tread depth has also reduced from 11mm to 9mm.
Honestly, I have no idea on all this.

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How much did the tire cost you? The dealer in mumbai quoted 12k each.
Same here... mine costed me 12k per piece.
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Service Update: 160,000 kms

Got my car serviced just before Diwali. 160k service was supposed to be a major one, including all differential and transmission oil change on top of regular service. Another thing which I was willing to look into was rubber bushes in suspension that were gone bad and were making squeaky sounds. Also, I had been observing some rust patches in the underbody of the car. Nothing surprising, considering the car is 7 years old now and 3M anti-rust treatment done in 2009 was in very condition by now. So I asked Toyota to give the car a fresh coat of 3M treatment this time (comes with 5 years warranty, as usual). As we all know Atlantis runs on aftermarket suspension, Toyota were not able to replace the suspension parts and kept insisting on full suspension overhaul. Just out of curiosity, I asked them the cost as per their valuation, they came up with a quote of 1.4L despite a few refusals of replacement from my end. Why such high quote, you ask? No child part replacement... they would like to replace full upper and lower suspension arms for a rubber bush gone bad! Thanks but no thanks, I said and decided this work to get done outside of Toyota ASC. Rest of all work was done by Toyota only. Total cost at the end of the day = ~15k including ~5k for 3M treatment. Reasonable IMO.

A few pics from servicing day.

Started with a thorough wash... I am not kidding, this wash lasted 70 minutes since they could not get all dirt out all this while and I kept showing where all the dirt was! haha.
Trucking in my Atlantis! My Pre-Worshipped Toyota Fortuner 3.0L 4x4 MT - 160,000 km crunched-img_3581.jpg

Trucking in my Atlantis! My Pre-Worshipped Toyota Fortuner 3.0L 4x4 MT - 160,000 km crunched-img_3582.jpg

A general look at underbody. As you can see, all that off-roading and overlanding has left a few scars on underbody. The fact is, most bolts in Atlantis were jammed badly. A good dose of WD40 required to loosen them up.
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Rear Diff Oil changed. Oil looked healthy going by color and texture... still got all oils replaced as per schedule.
Trucking in my Atlantis! My Pre-Worshipped Toyota Fortuner 3.0L 4x4 MT - 160,000 km crunched-img_3596.jpg

Brake Pads opened up and cleaned thoroughly.
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One of the rubber bushes in lower part of shock absorber is visibly cut in the pic below. All rubber bushes have been replaced with brand new kit, at my FNG.
Trucking in my Atlantis! My Pre-Worshipped Toyota Fortuner 3.0L 4x4 MT - 160,000 km crunched-img_3605.jpg

Prop Shaft Greased Properly.
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Center Diff Oil changed as well.
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A Fresh coat of 3M Anti-Rust Treatment.
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Final Servicing Bill...
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Once the service was complete, my Toyota looked handsome as usual!
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Since the service consumed a couple of hours and I was at Toyota for a while, got to test drive both the LC Prado and LC 200 during this service. As a current owner of a Fortuner, I was left totally unimpressed by both. I am not joking, I fail to see any value in both these Land Cruisers in India. Prado at 93+ ex Delhi and LC200 at 1.35+ Cr ex Delhi, Toyota is crazy to offer these cars at such eye watering prices. Both test drives cars were old, no doubt but I fail to see what do these cars offer on top of Fortuner at such high price! No Diff Locks in the vehicle I test drove, No crawl mode, no air suspension... worst Prado has same 3.0 D-4D unit as my Fortuner. LC200's V8 left me wanting more too! Sure some of the things I am complaining about were added in later models, but at what cost! I am sorry to say, but current Ford Endeavour has more to offer than these big Toyotas in today's world IMHO. I was thinking to put myself in one of these LCs in later years, however after these test drives, I am a changed man! No LCs for me. Thanks but no thanks!
Trucking in my Atlantis! My Pre-Worshipped Toyota Fortuner 3.0L 4x4 MT - 160,000 km crunched-img_3617.jpg

Trucking in my Atlantis! My Pre-Worshipped Toyota Fortuner 3.0L 4x4 MT - 160,000 km crunched-img_3624.jpg

A few more random pics below about Toyota's used grades of engine, transmission and diff oils... Just in case someone is looking for this info.

Trucking in my Atlantis! My Pre-Worshipped Toyota Fortuner 3.0L 4x4 MT - 160,000 km crunched-img_3601.jpg

Trucking in my Atlantis! My Pre-Worshipped Toyota Fortuner 3.0L 4x4 MT - 160,000 km crunched-img_3603.jpg

Trucking in my Atlantis! My Pre-Worshipped Toyota Fortuner 3.0L 4x4 MT - 160,000 km crunched-img_3614.jpg

A check-list I managed to capture that is being followed by Toyota to service Fortuner.
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I got all the rubber bushes changed at my FNG. My apologies for not taking any pics that day (dead phone battery!). Lots of aftermarket suppliers push for Innova bush kits, however you need to insist for Fortuner specific kit only. The one I bought was imported from Thailand by a company called RBI, this kit was specific for Thai Toyota Vigo and is exact replacement of OEM Fortuner rubber bushes. Costed me 3.3k for the kit and INR 800 in fitting the bushes. Since I was getting the suspension work done, also decided to replace the ball joints as well since there was some play being reported by Toyota as well as my FNG. All in all, except for shocks and tie end rods, all wear-n-tear items in front suspension replaced. Total cost of replacement was ~15k. Still very reasonable IMO.

However, there was one issue with camber bolts. 2 of the bolts were so badly stuck that these could not be opened up (7 years of grueling off-roading, you see). They had to be cut out and replaced. I realized it later that one of the camber bolts in the car was not OEM Fortuner, but for Innova. Need to get this mistake corrected. May be today or tomorrow.

Rest all is well with the car... Atlantis purring along.
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Nice Ace, congratulations for getting Atlantis, though I know the story has gone a bit old. I can see you using the Atlantis to its max and what it is meant to be used, good brother, I loved your pics and videos. Some of them are amazing, thanks for sharing it with us.
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15k for so many changes in the fortuner is mighty impressive. Our i20 had a major service done at 30k and costed us around 12k. For a car double its size, 3k additional is just peanuts.
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15k for so many changes in the fortuner is mighty impressive
That's why Fortuner holds its value so much I have heard prices of LC & LC Prado are equally competitive.

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Toyota were not able to replace the suspension parts and kept insisting on full suspension overhaul. Just out of curiosity, I asked them the cost as per their valuation, they came up with a quote of 1.4L
Do try to find same parts from Innova lineup next time, I understand many suspension parts are common but coded differently for Innova & Fortuner and surprisingly many parts of Fortuner are far expensive than Innova despite these are similar. I must tell that this is a hearsay and I have not experienced this personally but the guy sounded right.
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Hey how much did Toyota quote for the Ball joints?

Also it is a bit of a turn off that we need to replace the entire lower arm just because the bush is not sold separately. I paid 14,000/-for both the front lower Arms of my Innova.
Didn't want to take chances by putting anything other than the OEM parts. Do let me know how the bush fares.
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Nice Ace, congratulations for getting Atlantis, though I know the story has gone a bit old. I can see you using the Atlantis to its max and what it is meant to be used, good brother, I loved your pics and videos. Some of them are amazing, thanks for sharing it with us.
Thanks Shiv! Glad to have you here in my thread.

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15k for so many changes in the fortuner is mighty impressive. Our i20 had a major service done at 30k and costed us around 12k. For a car double its size, 3k additional is just peanuts.
And do not forget that that 15k bill has almost 5k just for 3M anti-rust treatment!

Certainly gives out an impression that maintenance of a Hyundai isn't that budget friendly afterall. My car is out of warranty and this gives me flexibility to make choice between what I want to get done at Toyota delaership and at my FNG. I usually pick and choose.

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That's why Fortuner holds its value so much I have heard prices of LC & LC Prado are equally competitive.
Agree!

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Do try to find same parts from Innova lineup next time, I understand many suspension parts are common but coded differently for Innova & Fortuner and surprisingly many parts of Fortuner are far expensive than Innova despite these are similar. I must tell that this is a hearsay and I have not experienced this personally but the guy sounded right.
I agree with you about many parts being common between Innova and Fortuner, Turbanator! Only difference is that the end usage of both vehicles is very different. Therefore I think there must be some difference even in the tolerance limits for critical suspension parts and their wear and tear rate of both cars. But then again, even I am speculating on this.

I give you an example, you remember I mentioned about camber bolts in my post above. When I got the rubber bushes changed with my trusted mechanic, I took it a bit casually that replacing the bolts in aftermarket should be a cakewalk. After all we are talking about a simple part like bolt and nut, that too for a car like Fortuner that has been on sale in truckloads. Oh only I know how wrong was I! You know finding the right bolts turned out to be a nightmare. We got the bolts 3 different times, each time with supposedly better quality (first time it costed me INR 300/piece, subsequently INR 500 and 600 per piece) and the nut slipped on the bolt each time with a bare minimal of off-roading and their threads went bald within usage of 2-3 days! I simply can't believe it that we keep harping about initiatives like 'Make in India' while we are unable to manufacture the simple things like nut and bolts with their quality at par with their international counterparts. Turned out that bolts were similar in size and shape but not in their material/alloy composition. In the end, had to procure the bolts (imported from Japan) from Toyota only and each set (of bolt/nut/washer) costed me INR ~1500. Still not a bad price if you ask me after burning my fingers in sub-standard parts in aftermarket, and I learnt my lesson real hard way considering I had to get alignment done each time bolt slipped!

My point is, its not about localisation or import of spare parts, I am sure Toyota must be maintaining the required quality of spares consistent. However, IMO Toyota must be wise enough to differentiate in spare parts of various vehicles since they know it better than us, so even though parts look same there must be some difference since they go in different vehicles. Different part number, may be because of this! Who knows!!! I have asked Toyota to get me all such bolts and I will get them replaced in my next service.

Anyway, let me check in Toyota's spare department next time and have a quick insight into this subject, will revert on this.

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Hey how much did Toyota quote for the Ball joints?
Hi dean, sorry I didn't ask Toyota for each spare part price, but their quote included these. Also, from aftermarket, I got TRW ball joints (made in Germany) since I have had very good experience with TRW suspension parts in my previous cars (just a word of advise, please be careful with counterfeit TRW parts, plenty of these in market).

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Also it is a bit of a turn off that we need to replace the entire lower arm just because the bush is not sold separately. I paid 14,000/-for both the front lower Arms of my Innova.
Didn't want to take chances by putting anything other than the OEM parts. Do let me know how the bush fares.
Sure will keep updating how these bushes fair in my daily usage. That's the idea of this thread anyway, I am not here to shower praise all the time, remaining fair and honest in my updates is more important.

I am open to aftermarket parts if the quality is at par/better than OEM, otherwise OEM replacements of parts is the way to go for me as well. But yeah, no option of child part replacement at Toyota isn't cool, seriously.

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