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Old 10th November 2007, 08:53   #106
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Why not?

Fevi Bond 38.22 (what for)
Engine Oil 7l 1132.46 (Isnt this supp. to be 6.5 ltr only)
Power Steering Oil 1.5l 224.00 (u seem to have lost some ..howcome )
Differential Oil 2.2l 348.08 (fine)
Oil Filter 213.97 (fine)
Air Filter 446.83
Wheel Weights 233.33 (fine- wheel balancing I guess)
Clutch Slave cylinder 0.00 (Warranty)
Brake Oil 0.25l 65.78 (hmmm)
Super Glue 38.22 (whats this for)
Emery Sheet 15.06 (whats this for)
Nut(27 NO) 13.33 (whats this for)
4th service 0.00
Engine flush 760.00 (so soon ?)
remove & refit clutch cylinder 0.00
replace door striker (tail door rattle) 0.00
Super friction done 500.00 (whats this for)
Gearbox Oil Additive 461.00 (Doest that inclu. gearbox oil as well ?)
Engine decarbonising 1450.00 (thats very soon)
Wheel Balancing 437.50

Parts total: 3115.43
Labour total: 4054.51
Total: 7169.94
7169.00 for 4th free service wow.... Thats a really huge bill you have run up

I have typed in bold what I didnt understand
Btw didnt they change the gearbox oil in 20K service ???
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I could have said no to engine flush, decarb, gearbox oil additive etc. but thought since I have their recommendation on paper, let me go ahead. Will come in useful if I have issues later on.

Emery sheet, Fevi Bond and Super glue are standard charges in almost every Tata service ;-) Anyway, will fill in the complete details in a while.
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Power Steering Oil 1.5l 224.00
Air Filter 446.83
Super friction done 500.00
Gearbox Oil Additive 461.00
Engine decarbonising 1450.00
All this seems unnecessary.

1. Why did they replace air filter?

2. Whats with the power steering oil?

3. 'Super Friction' ???

4. Did you ask them to put in Gearbox oil additives?

5. Why do they have to decarbonize AND flush?


You're being taken for a ride.
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Old 10th November 2007, 16:03   #109
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As far as Engine flush is concerned, these guys at Hyderabad did it for 10K kms service (2nd Free) on my car. They did not actually ask me but did it in front of me. I just could not understand what and why there were doing it. Knew only while paying the bill . However the car was smoother after that.

As Steeroid says, I guess out of Rs7000, Rs 3000 expense was un-necessary. But even though, should it cost even Rs4000?? it is pretty high man
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You're being taken for a ride.
Quite possible. I have my reasons for agreeing to jobs they want to carry out provided they recommend them on paper. While I have a lot of faith in Tata and their dealers, the Sumo Victa episode is also at the back of my mind.

Tomorrow, if there is a problem, I don't want them saying we recommended this but the customer didn't want it done.
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Tomorrow, if there is a problem, I don't want them saying we recommended this but the customer didn't want it done.
Best/safest way to go about in any Servicing is follow the Users manual guidelines. I am sure Manual would not be recommending most of the above frills added by the dealer. Ask them to give in writing why they are recommending all the additional work which is not there in the manual then see how they retract most of these unwarranted recommendations.

1. Engine Decarb is done only after 40K kms.
2. Power steering oil - Loss of 1.5L is too high. It might have leaked out because of some manufacturing fault that dealer has rectified. You should not be paying for this at all.
3.Gearoil additive - Not needed. If it was required Tata would have recommended the same in the owners manual
4. Engine Flush - Again not required unless you are changing the oil to synthetic or you have lot of carbon deposits in the engine.
5. Super Friction - What is this?? (Never heard of it)

These 5 are high value items that could have been avoided.
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Quite possible. I have my reasons for agreeing to jobs they want to carry out provided they recommend them on paper. While I have a lot of faith in Tata and their dealers, the Sumo Victa episode is also at the back of my mind.

Tomorrow, if there is a problem, I don't want them saying we recommended this but the customer didn't want it done.
Well If its on paper you dont have to worry .
BTW did dealer recommend it on paper or Tata ?

Ask them the reason why they did Engine flush... Was the oil breather acting up therefore oil getting into intake side of the throttle ..therefore carbon buildup..(this would prepare you for further services from them.) As dear diesel fan says, nothing extra frills should be done apart from regular mannual based servicing IMHO. And you should be asking how come 1.5lt of PS oil vanished.

I think I read somewhere, there was a friction modifier (additive) added to either of gear oil or differential..(I did read it somewhere in the mannual..or I didnt ?)

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Why not?

Parts total: 3115.43
Labour total: 4054.51
Total: 7169.94
Jeez, 7k for a 20k kms service is highway robbery. Lemme fish out my invoice tomorrow - it was a whole lot less, including the Bardahl treatment (which was not compulsory).

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Guys

Engine Decarb is surely done somewhere around 35k-40k

and while 2 weeks ago i sent my beast for 3rd service @ 15k,the service advisor asked me for the Engine Decarb also

i plainly asked him how can u suggest engine decarb at 15k,let the beast run for more kms and he agreed

i think they have some extra incentive for these heavy amount jobs so they take customer for a ride.

so either the user manual should be trusted or someone in TASS who is vastly experienced in Safari lineup

the charge was NIL for the 15k service

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Jeez, 7k for a 20k kms service is highway robbery. Lemme fish out my invoice tomorrow - it was a whole lot less, including the Bardahl treatment (which was not compulsory).

Suman,that wud be nice if u can publish the detailed invoice so that others like me can have some more info.
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This is way high, and your surely have been taken for ride.
Power Steering Oil 1.5l 224.00: What was this, top-up or replace?
Wheel Weights 233.33: oh my god, 233 Rs...
Engine flush 760.00, at 20K KM. No Way and Flush Oil 200ml bottle cost 350 Rs(Bardahl or Wurth), where have rest 410 gone
Engine decarbonising, again at 20K km, no way.
Wheel Balancing 437.50, At apollo dealer, it costs 150Rs + Weight's Cost

I guess you need to provide the details of labor cost as well.

I guarantee you that you have been robbed in day light. Do not take this lightly as this will become a trend with dealer if you accept it,


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Why not?

Fevi Bond 38.22
Engine Oil 7l 1132.46
Power Steering Oil 1.5l 224.00
Differential Oil 2.2l 348.08
Oil Filter 213.97
Air Filter 446.83
Wheel Weights 233.33
Clutch Slave cylinder 0.00 (Warranty)
Brake Oil 0.25l 65.78
Super Glue 38.22
Emery Sheet 15.06
Nut(27 NO) 13.33
4th service 0.00
Engine flush 760.00
remove & refit clutch cylinder 0.00
replace door striker (tail door rattle) 0.00
Super friction done 500.00
Gearbox Oil Additive 461.00
Engine decarbonising 1450.00
Wheel Balancing 437.50

Parts total: 3115.43
Labour total: 4054.51
Total: 7169.94

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Thank you for all your feedback. I'll keep all these in mind for the upcoming services.

Did another long trip after the service and the engine is definitely a lot smoother and quieter with less smoke. Was surprised to see Reliance sell diesel for Rs. 39 / litre.

Odo reads 22675 km today. New issue - rear LHS tail lamp / brake light bulb seems to be fused.
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After oil change, decarb and engine flush, the least you should expect that the engine is smoother . It has to be smoother man.

But I am worried to see such a huge bill. I think I may not need to do engine flush as these guys did it on my car at 10K service itself.

Not sure though....
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MODS Please update the title to "Passion Red Safari Dicor LX 4x2 - @ 20000KM"

Went in for a 2 day service due to yr end rush at service centers for 20K service(this time@ pandit auto bhosari pune unit).

Listed are the works carried out

1 All oils changed (engine/gear and rear diff)
2 Engine flushed with bardahl tuneup and flush.
3 wheel alignment/balancing and rotation done.
4 driver seat belt wont retract so they replaced the unit completely(UWC)
5 All std checks etc

all this costed approx 3600/-

KMPL holding @ 11-11.5 in city

After this service, the engine revs very freely now and it should.

No major issues expect some quirky noises which i kill with some music
(some how i cant seem to get rid of smoke seen behind the suv in night against other cars headlight. Day time smoke is not at all there except under pedal to metal accelerations. I have changed lots of pumps in Pune . Please advise)

Will post the invoice details soon

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To me it looks nothing more than an invoiced rip off.
In case one does not follow the dealers recommendation unless its mentioned in the manual or a defect being officially fixed under warranty only then it affects in case of litigation. Other than that is nothing but an invoiced rip off that adds to ur financial woes and the dealers coffers. No reason for engine flush nor gearbox additive in such a new engine. Honestly, this vehicle mentioned seems to be far more expensive to maintain than my prado. And believe me ... i dont treat my ride too good. Gues if i put the safari to even 25% abuse the way i drive my prado right now the bill will run to 20000. I was waiting for the 2.2 to buy one but waited to see the initial reviews.... Certainly doesnt seem worth my penny.

Dear rahul 76 you say, and i quote, "No major issues expect some quirky noises which i kill with some music".
You own a new vehicle with around 20000 on the clock, in my opinion you shud certainly not put up with quirky noises if ur paying for ur vehicle with ur hard earned money & paying such high service bills that seriously reflect a very high cost of ownership.
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