Tata Sumo Victa GX Turbo: LTR @ 20000km EDIT: (Now done 30000km) - Page 3 - Team-BHP

theMAG · 7th June 2007, 09:54

Congrats on finally laying a long-pending niggle to rest. With this new peace-of-mind you've got, I wish you all the best in enjoying your Sumo while running over sub 1.5 ton vehicles.

SuMo · 8th June 2007, 08:52

Congrats Condor. Nice to hear that your Victa is done up well now.Enjoy. I have also found that with idling around 1100 (without ac on) and Throttle lever adjusted such that RPM Does not drop quickly upon release of accelerator the victa behaves really well and smooth.

condor · 30th June 2007, 08:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by theMAG

Congrats on finally laying a long-pending niggle to rest. With this new peace-of-mind you've got, I wish you all the best in enjoying your Sumo while running over sub 1.5 ton vehicles.

The truck at the estate..

Thanks, MAG .. it was good to take out the truck on a long drive after ages. Like said on the Monsoon Mayhem thread, v1p3r put it through some serious paces .. and true to his words, he gets lower FE on highways than in city driving ..

Return trip from CBE to BLR, with just a 15-20% of 5th, and a good measure of ghats, rough roads in Chamarajanagar / Mandya districts [= 2nd / 3rd gear] still returned a decent 11.75 kmpl.

arjun_crsce · 3rd July 2007, 11:24

nice review condor. its a nice vehicle and have driven it for 760 kms in single day itself and got amazing FE of 13.2.

who said - KUCH HI LOG SUMO CHALATE HAIN

condor · 9th July 2007, 21:48

So, the miles fly by. 25K now and went for the mandatory-at-TASS/TASC minor service on friday. Mandatory because any deviation would mean the extended wty gets void.

No surprises as such. They did the usual cleaning, washing & stuff. Front brake pads were replaced. Supposed to last about 15-20k kms depending on usage, but 25k is supposed to be almost full life.

Bill, incl the brake pads - about 1.9k.

Then again, things havent been perfect. 3 visits to Concorde, and some damage each time. First two visits it was the A/c vents. Dont know how should the vent fins fall off into the duct. Have had both replaced. Got to pull out the vents and seal them in place. The vent plastics are a little delicate.

Since the first time it happened, the air-flow isnt working the way it should. If I have the re-circulate mode switch off, I should be getting fresh air in. WHile there is sound of the blower working, there isnt much air flowing in. Things are normal if I switch to re-circulate. I have reported this twice now, but no avail. The guys are insisting that this is the way it should work. I know it's otherwise.

Been up-shifting a little earlier - 15, 35, 55, 75 instead of 20, 40, 60, 80. Getting close to 1 kmpl more, because end up in the 2nd gear more often than before.

theMAG · 9th July 2007, 22:01

Condor,

I think you should move onto one of them Safaris or Scorpios. Far too many niggles not laid to rest in the Sumo I feel.

condor · 10th July 2007, 07:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by theMAG

Far too many niggles not laid to rest in the Sumo I feel.

True. Some delicately designed parts are not helping things either.

at 21k, around April, the front seat belts were replaced under wty. Both belts were not retracting after release. I am seeing initial signs of this problem again with the driver side seat-belt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by theMAG

I think you should move onto one of them Safaris or Scorpios.

Not a Scorp. I'm not a Scorp fan yet.

May be the 2.2 - or do I need more?

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Mods, pls edit thread title to read 25000 instead of 20000. Thanks

headers · 10th July 2007, 08:05

Hi Nice review Condor..

Good you got your FIP sorted out..It took us almost 10K kms in our 04 Indigo. Apparently..the problem is in the setting..The FIP is a very delicate device and improper setting by the PDI guys..leads us to these kinds of timing issues.

AND the LIS - does not have proper trained personnel too to set it right..

Wonder if anyone has converted the rear suspension of the Sumo to Coil springs..maybe off a sierra..This would improve the handling multifold..rather than adding more leaves and more weight at the rear..

Godfather · 10th July 2007, 08:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by condor

True. Some delicately designed parts are not helping things either.

This is a Truck!!! what is Delicate in this????

Quote:

Originally Posted by condor

May be the 2.2 - or do I need more?

Dicor 3.0L all the way. Forget the 2.2 Its a Myth like the lochness monster.

Godfather

condor · 10th July 2007, 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godfather

This is a Truck!!! what is Delicate in this????

The plastics ...

. In what could have been a real good package.

condor · 8th September 2007, 07:47

Back after another long one. The truck gives upto 14kmpl if only highways. No additives.

A mix of highways and rural roads, and got about 12.15 kmpl.

wizardofid · 8th September 2007, 14:40

Slightly off-topic comment: 28500km in 5 months!. You do an awful lot of driving Condor. We'll expect 'long-term' reviews sooner from you

On Topic: I see from your pictures that you do take it off-road. I've driven a borrowed Sumo (not Victa) to less charted terrain near Kodaikanal (from Kodai) once and I thought it behaved quite well. You may have done a lot more. Do you feel the need for a 4x4? Are you getting any squeaks from the suspension?

After 28K km, is the turbo performing as well as it was in your first few 1000km i.e. are you getting the same rush of power as you once did?

condor · 9th October 2007, 23:25

Wiz, not 5 months, but 15. It's now 22 months & 30.5K.

* No squeaks from the suspension.
* 4x4 is 4x4. The 4x2 is good for rough roads etc, but if you get stuck in the 4x2, there's not much you can do. Btw, none of those are off-road pics. Just off-tarmac I'd say.
* Turbo is as good as ever. Why should there be a drop ?

condor · 9th October 2007, 23:35

30K up, and servicing completed.

7 liters of engine oil - Castrol RX Super Plus: 1500/-
Filters - diesel & oil: about 350/-
Air filter - a little early at 30K. Recommended replacement point is is 40K. 410/-
Labour - about 900/-

There was some seepage of P/S fluid, else things have been steady. Timing is holding after the FIP recalibration.

The engine oil requirement is supposed to be 7.7 liters. But at 7 liters, the oil level is at the upper mark on the dip stick.
My previous oil change at 20K also showed a similar behaviour when the TASS put in 7.7 liters, and the oil level was way too high. Had had them drain out about 1.2 liters before I added Bardahl.

condor · 22nd October 2007, 10:57

So the new Victa is out - with a DI Turbo

Victa DI Specifications

Engine: 2956 cc Diesel DI Turbo Charged
Maximum power: 70 PS (51.5 Kw) @ 3000 rpm
Maximum Torque: 22.7 Kg-m (223Nm) @1600 - 2200 rpm

One of the changes is a higher GC - 190mm.

7th June 2007, 09:54	#31 (permalink)
theMAG Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bengalooru Posts: 3,636 View My Garage	Congrats on finally laying a long-pending niggle to rest. With this new peace-of-mind you've got, I wish you all the best in enjoying your Sumo while running over sub 1.5 ton vehicles. __________________ If you lose your temper, you’ve lost the argument

3rd July 2007, 11:24	#34 (permalink)
arjun_crsce Newbie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 10	nice review - sumo nice review condor. its a nice vehicle and have driven it for 760 kms in single day itself and got amazing FE of 13.2. who said - KUCH HI LOG SUMO CHALATE HAIN __________________ 07 Santro 06 Indigo tDI 05 Bullet Electra 350 02 Calliber 98 Kinetic Honda 96 M-800

9th July 2007, 21:48	#35 (permalink)
condor Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: BLR Posts: 1,715 View My Garage	Update: 25000 km So, the miles fly by. 25K now and went for the mandatory-at-TASS/TASC minor service on friday. Mandatory because any deviation would mean the extended wty gets void. No surprises as such. They did the usual cleaning, washing & stuff. Front brake pads were replaced. Supposed to last about 15-20k kms depending on usage, but 25k is supposed to be almost full life. Bill, incl the brake pads - about 1.9k. Then again, things havent been perfect. 3 visits to Concorde, and some damage each time. First two visits it was the A/c vents. Dont know how should the vent fins fall off into the duct. Have had both replaced. Got to pull out the vents and seal them in place. The vent plastics are a little delicate. Since the first time it happened, the air-flow isnt working the way it should. If I have the re-circulate mode switch off, I should be getting fresh air in. WHile there is sound of the blower working, there isnt much air flowing in. Things are normal if I switch to re-circulate. I have reported this twice now, but no avail. The guys are insisting that this is the way it should work. I know it's otherwise. Been up-shifting a little earlier - 15, 35, 55, 75 instead of 20, 40, 60, 80. Getting close to 1 kmpl more, because end up in the 2nd gear more often than before. __________________ Life is Analog. Digital is an approximation.

9th July 2007, 22:01	#36 (permalink)
theMAG Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bengalooru Posts: 3,636 View My Garage	Condor, I think you should move onto one of them Safaris or Scorpios. Far too many niggles not laid to rest in the Sumo I feel. __________________ If you lose your temper, you’ve lost the argument

10th July 2007, 08:05	#38 (permalink)
headers Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chennai..the city of cars.. Posts: 1,194	Hi Nice review Condor.. Good you got your FIP sorted out..It took us almost 10K kms in our 04 Indigo. Apparently..the problem is in the setting..The FIP is a very delicate device and improper setting by the PDI guys..leads us to these kinds of timing issues. AND the LIS - does not have proper trained personnel too to set it right.. Wonder if anyone has converted the rear suspension of the Sumo to Coil springs..maybe off a sierra..This would improve the handling multifold..rather than adding more leaves and more weight at the rear.. __________________ RWD Rocks!

8th June 2007, 08:52	#32 (permalink)
SuMo Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 12	Congrats Condor. Nice to hear that your Victa is done up well now.Enjoy. I have also found that with idling around 1100 (without ac on) and Throttle lever adjusted such that RPM Does not drop quickly upon release of accelerator the victa behaves really well and smooth.

8th September 2007, 07:47	#41 (permalink)
condor Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: BLR Posts: 1,715 View My Garage	@ 28.5k Back after another long one. The truck gives upto 14kmpl if only highways. No additives. A mix of highways and rural roads, and got about 12.15 kmpl. __________________ Life is Analog. Digital is an approximation.

8th September 2007, 14:40	#42 (permalink)
wizardofid BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 185	Slightly off-topic comment: 28500km in 5 months!. You do an awful lot of driving Condor. We'll expect 'long-term' reviews sooner from you On Topic: I see from your pictures that you do take it off-road. I've driven a borrowed Sumo (not Victa) to less charted terrain near Kodaikanal (from Kodai) once and I thought it behaved quite well. You may have done a lot more. Do you feel the need for a 4x4? Are you getting any squeaks from the suspension? After 28K km, is the turbo performing as well as it was in your first few 1000km i.e. are you getting the same rush of power as you once did? __________________ 2005 Baleno LXi 2006 Marina TDi

9th October 2007, 23:25	#43 (permalink)
condor Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: BLR Posts: 1,715 View My Garage	Wiz, not 5 months, but 15. It's now 22 months & 30.5K. * No squeaks from the suspension. * 4x4 is 4x4. The 4x2 is good for rough roads etc, but if you get stuck in the 4x2, there's not much you can do. Btw, none of those are off-road pics. Just off-tarmac I'd say. * Turbo is as good as ever. Why should there be a drop ? __________________ Life is Analog. Digital is an approximation.

9th October 2007, 23:35	#44 (permalink)
condor Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: BLR Posts: 1,715 View My Garage	Update: 30K 30K up, and servicing completed. 7 liters of engine oil - Castrol RX Super Plus: 1500/- Filters - diesel & oil: about 350/- Air filter - a little early at 30K. Recommended replacement point is is 40K. 410/- Labour - about 900/- There was some seepage of P/S fluid, else things have been steady. Timing is holding after the FIP recalibration. The engine oil requirement is supposed to be 7.7 liters. But at 7 liters, the oil level is at the upper mark on the dip stick. My previous oil change at 20K also showed a similar behaviour when the TASS put in 7.7 liters, and the oil level was way too high. Had had them drain out about 1.2 liters before I added Bardahl. __________________ Life is Analog. Digital is an approximation.

22nd October 2007, 10:57	#45 (permalink)
condor Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: BLR Posts: 1,715 View My Garage	New Victa - DI Turbo So the new Victa is out - with a DI Turbo Victa DI Specifications Engine: 2956 cc Diesel DI Turbo Charged Maximum power: 70 PS (51.5 Kw) @ 3000 rpm Maximum Torque: 22.7 Kg-m (223Nm) @1600 - 2200 rpm One of the changes is a higher GC - 190mm. __________________ Life is Analog. Digital is an approximation. Last edited by condor : 22nd October 2007 at 11:00.

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