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Old 18th January 2017, 14:37   #916
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Could you help me out with some part nos?

I am looking at overhauling the complete suspension by changing only the bushes. My MASS is reluctant to do only bushing refitting and so I may get it done outside. I need the parts nos of replacement bushings of the following:-
Will help you surely with the part numbers and prices. Which variant is it??


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Sorry Sir for my negligence, noticed the variant on your signature just now.

Another issue is that I am used to seeing the lesser cars with simple setups. My head is literally spinning after seeing the sheer complexity of the suspension setup of Grand Vitara. Hence I am posting the entire snapshot of the parts, request you to kindly choose which parts you need. After you post the selected parts here, I'll give you their prices. Sorry for the trouble, kindly bear with me.

Front Suspension(Click to ZOOM)
The First Grand Vitara on Team-BHP [113000 KMs & 9 Years]-1.jpg

Front stabiliser(Click to ZOOM)
The First Grand Vitara on Team-BHP [113000 KMs & 9 Years]-2.jpg

Front suspension frame(Click to ZOOM)
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Rear suspension(Click to ZOOM)
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Rear suspension(Click to ZOOM)
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Rear suspension frame(Click to ZOOM)

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Do let me know if you need any more details.

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Will help you surely with the part numbers and prices. Which variant is it??


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Sorry Sir for my negligence, noticed the variant on your signature just now.

Another issue is that I am used to seeing the lesser cars with simple setups. My head is literally spinning after seeing the sheer complexity of the suspension setup of Grand Vitara. Hence I am posting the entire snapshot of the parts, request you to kindly choose which parts you need. After you post the selected parts here, I'll give you their prices. Sorry for the trouble, kindly bear with me.

Do let me know if you need any more details.

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Please do not call me "Sir". I like to consider myself young at heart, white hair notwithstanding.

The suspension of the Grand Vitara is a gem You can literally speed up on potholed roads and get a smoother ride as a result.

I am giving the total list of change parts below. Pls check if you can get the prices.
For the benefit of other Grand Vitara owners I have indicated quantities, but request them to cross check with their mechanics.

FRONT SUSPENSION - LOWER ARM
IT#6 BEARING, FRONT STRUT - 41741-78K00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE)
IT#8 COVER, STRUT DUST - 41931-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE)
IT#14 STOPPER, BUMP - 42111-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE)
IT#15 SEAT, COIL SPRING RUBBER UPPER - 41211-65J100 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE)
IT#16 SEAT, COIL SPRING UPPER - 41230-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE)
IT#17 ARM ASSY, FRONT SUSPENSION RH - 45201-78K00 (QTY=1) { only if damaged}
IT#19&23 BUSHING SUSPENSION ARM FRONT - 45261-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE)
IT#21 ARM ASSY, FRONT SUSPENSION LH - 45202-78K00 (QTY=1){ only if damaged}


FRONT SUSPENSION - ANTIROLL BAR
IT#2 BUSHING, FR STABILIZER MOUNT - 42412-78K00



REAR SUSPENSION
IT#7&10 SEAL SET RR SUSPENSION ARM - 45706-60A00 (QTY=2; -1 EACH LH & RH SIDE)
IT#8 BUSH, RR SPNN UPPER ARM - 46231-65J00 (QTY=4; 2 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE)
IT#13 BUSH, RR SPNSN CONT ARM - 46331-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS ONE PER LH & RH SIDE)
IT#19&21 BUSH, RR SPNSN LATERAL LINK 46122-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE)
IT#23 BUSH, RR SPNSN TRAILING ROD 46371-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE)
IT#34 SEAT, COIL SPRING RUBBER 41341-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE)


REAR SUSPENSION FRAME
IT#4 BUSH, REAR SPNSN FRAME 46911-65J00 (QTY=4)

PLEASE CROSSCHECK FOLLOWING PART NOS:-

REAR DIFF MOUNTING
MOUNTING REAR DIFF 27561-66J01 - (QTY=2)
MOUNTING, REAR DIFF FRONT RH 27562-66J20 (QTY=1)
MOUNTING, REAR DIFF FRONT LH 27561-66J20 (QTY=1)

FRONT DIFF MOUNTING
BRACKET, FRONT DIFF MTG RH 27620-66J22 (QTY=1)
MOUNTING, FRONT DIFF NO1 27552-66J10 (QTY=1)

Thanks a million for your help.
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I did a detailed study of the Service Manual.

For the Front Lower Arm Suzuki recommends changing only 1 bushing. There are 2 more joints & I guess if they are damaged one is expected to change the whole arm. These are marked as 1 & 2 in the image below:
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I am getting spare bushes, on Ebay, for position 1. Nothing is available for position 2.


Similarly, for the Rear Upper Arm, Suzuki expects you to change the full arm if the marked joint is damaged.
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I am giving the total list of change parts below. Pls check if you can get the prices.
For the benefit of other Grand Vitara owners I have indicated quantities, but request them to cross check with their mechanics.

Thanks a million for your help.
Sridhar
Kindly find my reply in BOLD

FRONT SUSPENSION - LOWER ARM
IT#6 BEARING, FRONT STRUT - 41741-78K00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE) Rs. 494/-
IT#8 COVER, STRUT DUST - 41931-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE) Rs. 460/-
IT#14 STOPPER, BUMP - 42111-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE) Rs. 316/-
IT#15 SEAT, COIL SPRING RUBBER UPPER - 41211-65J100 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE) Wrong part number, kindy recheck.
IT#16 SEAT, COIL SPRING UPPER - 41230-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE) Rs. 556/-
IT#17 ARM ASSY, FRONT SUSPENSION RH - 45201-78K00 (QTY=1) { only if damaged} Rs. 9481/-***
IT#19&23 BUSHING SUSPENSION ARM FRONT - 45261-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE) Rs. 961/-
IT#21 ARM ASSY, FRONT SUSPENSION LH - 45202-78K00 (QTY=1){ only if damaged} Rs. 9481***


FRONT SUSPENSION - ANTIROLL BAR
IT#2 BUSHING, FR STABILIZER MOUNT - 42412-78K00 Rs.200/-***



REAR SUSPENSION
IT#7&10 SEAL SET RR SUSPENSION ARM - 45706-60A00 (QTY=2; -1 EACH LH & RH SIDE) Rs. 497/-
IT#8 BUSH, RR SPNN UPPER ARM - 46231-65J00 (QTY=4; 2 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE) Rs. 416/-
IT#13 BUSH, RR SPNSN CONT ARM - 46331-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS ONE PER LH & RH SIDE)Part number has been updated to 46331-65J01 and costs Rs.383. Older part number costs Rs.328. You may get either of them subject to availability.
IT#19&21 BUSH, RR SPNSN LATERAL LINK 46122-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE) Rs. 370
IT#23 BUSH, RR SPNSN TRAILING ROD 46371-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE) Rs.820
IT#34 SEAT, COIL SPRING RUBBER 41341-65J00 (QTY=2; 1 NOS PER LH & RH SIDE) Rs.284/-


REAR SUSPENSION FRAME
IT#4 BUSH, REAR SPNSN FRAME 46911-65J00 (QTY=4)Rs. 1101

PLEASE CROSSCHECK FOLLOWING PART NOS:-

REAR DIFF MOUNTING
MOUNTING REAR DIFF 27561-66J01 - (QTY=2) Rs. 1023
MOUNTING, REAR DIFF FRONT RH 27562-66J20 (QTY=1)Rs.979
MOUNTING, REAR DIFF FRONT LH 27561-66J20 (QTY=1)Part number has been updated to 27561-66J21 which costs Rs.990. Older XXXXX-XXJ20 costs Rs.984. You may get whatever is available at Maruti warehouse.

FRONT DIFF MOUNTING
BRACKET, FRONT DIFF MTG RH 27620-66J22 (QTY=1) Rs.1879
MOUNTING, FRONT DIFF NO1 27552-66J10 (QTY=1) Rs.777


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Now coming to the parts which I have marked as ***. Kindly note that they have part number as XXXXX-78XXX whereas most of the other parts have XXXXX-65/66XXX

65/66 stands for 2.0L, 78 is the code for 2.4L.

Now the parts catalogue says you to get the part 45201-78K00, 45202-78K00 and 42412-78K00 when I have selected 2.0L Vitara. Probably the "-65" parts have been discontinued, but request you to kindly check for these parts which were originally installed in Vitara 2.0. You can get the 65 ones if they are lying at their warehouse. If you don't get them, then only order 78 ones.

For 45201-78K00, try to place order for 45201-65J00 which costs 5800.
For 45202-78K00, try to place order for 45201-65J00 which costs 5800.
For 42412-78K00, try to place order for 42412-65J00/42412-65J02 which costs Rs.120

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Shashi


PS- These part numbers being SGP, can vary by a rupee or two at the time of purchase.

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Thanks a lot. Will talk to my MASS and check. I will post updates on this thread.

Thanks a million again

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Hi Shashi, Would you also be able to look up the part and price for the exhaust mount for a GV 2.4. Mine looks slightly twisted so the exhaust is touching the bumper a little bit.
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Hi Shashi, Would you also be able to look up the part and price for the exhaust mount for a GV 2.4. Mine looks slightly twisted so the exhaust is touching the bumper a little bit.
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Serial Number 17 and 18. 17 costs Rs. 228 whereas 18 costs Rs. 480. Kindly check 19 and 20 too, they can also be the culprit.

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Got a pair of Roots Vibrosonic horns for the GV.I wanted to install Roots Megasonic horns but found them to be too heavy.

I ruled out the Bosch Symphony , Denso Powertone , Denso Compact powertone , Hella Redgrilles as I personally felt the tone of these horns synced better with sedans and hatchbacks.

I took over an hour to figure out where to install the Vibrosonics and was clear that I wouldn't want them too close to the a.c. condenser like how most horns are fixed.In the unlikely event of a minor frontal impact , I didn't want the horns to be damaging any critical or expensive components of the car.

Eventually I decided to weld clamps onto the front impact bar and install the horns on these clamps.That way , the horns would fire front , and they wouldn't eat significantly into the gap between the bumper and the a.c. condenser.

The impact bar was removed , clamps welded and bar re-installed.

The total cost was INR 1350 for the horns , 150 for welding , and 800 for parts (clamps , relay , wiring , fuse holder and fuse ) and installation .

The wiring for this pair of horns is independent of the stock wiring and has a 20A Hyundai relay and ,
a Roots ceramic fuse holder + 20A fuse.

I am reliving the Vibrosonic experience after 13 years ( I had them on my Esteem ).

Here are some pics :

1.Work in process

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2.The gap between the bumper and the radiator - note the negligible intrusion into free space

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3.The finished product

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I was curious to see how often does Maruti import parts for the Grand Vitara.

Something I noticed though. If you search for a specific part number on Zauba, you can see its declared price per unit. For example, for LEFT (not RHS) Front Control Arm, part no 45202-78K00, the price per unit is about Rs 4500-4700.

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If you add the import taxes and duties for the applicable HS code on Cybex, the total amount is about Rs. 1330.

So 4700+1330 ~ Rs. 6000. But Maruti sells this part for about Rs. 9500.

Are they seriously making almost 35% on each part? (minus shipping)

Importing Suzuki parts from Amazon US (or something similar) might just turn out significantly cheaper then, wouldn't it?

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I did a detailed study of the Service Manual.

For the Front Lower Arm Suzuki recommends changing only 1 bushing. There are 2 more joints & I guess if they are damaged one is expected to change the whole arm. These are marked as 1 & 2 in the image below:
Attachment 1596998

I am getting spare bushes, on Ebay, for position 1. Nothing is available for position 2.
Sridhar ,

The bush marked 1 is generally the first casualty.If you remove the left wheel or right wheel , you will typically see the rubber in part1 tearing away.

It is possible to change all three if you get the parts.A good machinist will be able to have them in place.
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I was curious to see how often does Maruti import parts for the Grand Vitara.

Something I noticed though. If you search for a specific part number on Zauba, you can see its declared price per unit. For example, for LEFT (not RHS) Front Control Arm, part no 45202-78K00, the price per unit is about Rs 4500-4700.

Attachment 1599087

If you add the import taxes and duties for the applicable HS code on Cybex, the total amount is about Rs. 1330.

So 4700+1330 ~ Rs. 6000. But Maruti sells this part for about Rs. 9500.

Are they seriously making almost 35% on each part? (minus shipping)

Importing Suzuki parts from Amazon US (or something similar) might just turn out significantly cheaper then, wouldn't it?
From whatever little I know about these spares business, VAT and other taxes are calculated above the amount which you said. MRP includes everything. If 100 rupees is the amount of the spare, here is the profit breakdown

If bought directly from MGP store
1. MSIL's profit- Rs. 12/-
2. MGP dealer's share-Rs.13/-

If you buy a spare from the MASS, the breakup becomes like this
1. MSIL's - Rs. 12/-
2. MGP dealer- Rs. 8
3. MASS- Rs. 5/-

Also the declared amount on Zauba doesn't always reflect the true cost.

Hope it helps.

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Sridhar ,

The bush marked 1 is generally the first casualty.If you remove the left wheel or right wheel , you will typically see the rubber in part1 tearing away.

It is possible to change all three if you get the parts.A good machinist will be able to have them in place.
The two parts marked 1 & 2 are not available at MASS. So it would be a total arm change.

Got my vehicle serviced. All suspension bolts were oiled and torqued down.
Now the suspension has quietened down. The SA reported that all bushings are in good shape.
There is only one rattling when going over sharp ruts or rumble strips. I suspect the rear shock absorbers now as one of them is showing a minor leak.

Will go in for the OME setup as my springs have sagged a lot.
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On 22nd. 3 of us took our Grand Vitaras on the Slope of Hell Trail.

"thewhiteknight", "sanjusahu" & yours truly participated. Some photos of the same:-

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From right to left it is "whiteknight" (with OME lifts), "sanjusahu" (with a sagged rear suspension) & yours truly (with a sagged front and moderately sagged rear).

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We did not do the final climb to the view point. The ladies vetoed that as they did not want any further scratches to their Soutens' paintwork. So we had a little picnic and spent some time driving each other's cars and discussing points re repairs and upgrades.
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The vehicles did the climb easily. It was 4H almost all the way. At a couple of spots we had to stop to allow oncoming Sumos to pass. A couple of turns were tricky as there were loose rocks and mud. In such situations we shifted to 4HL or 4LL depending in the surface. There was some wheel spin in some patches but nothing that could not be controlled. "sanjusahu" had his first taste of 4HL & 4LL driving and is now hooked to the experience.
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I averaged 11.1kmpl on a 305km trip today on NH4 in my GV AT. The trip included some mad traffic between Sriperumbudur and Chennai City in both the onward and return runs. I held the speed at 80kmph and there was very little braking. Where there were situations that needed slowing down (like 2 trucks in adjacent lanes), I planned the speed reduction such that I never dropped below 50kmph, and thus seldom to no. 3 gear.

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It's slightly on the lower side. I have got close to 13 on Del - Chd route.
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I averaged 11.1kmpl on a 305km trip today on NH4 in my GV AT. The trip included some mad traffic between Sriperumbudur and Chennai City in both the onward and return runs. I held the speed at 80kmph and there was very little braking. Where there were situations that needed slowing down (like 2 trucks in adjacent lanes), I planned the speed reduction such that I never dropped below 50kmph, and thus seldom to no. 3 gear.

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