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Old 30th March 2008, 18:21   #271
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Dear aburagohain, you are absolutely correct. Interestingly I faced this problem in the test drive vehicle. I had pointed to the sales person that the fuel seems to be low as soon as I sat on the wheel. He brushed aside my concern stating that even in reserve we will be comfortably able to complete the test drive. During the test drive we were climbing a slight incline and the vehicle suddenly stalled. The sales person was a novice and we had to call up the dealer to locate the balloon. After pumping 6-7 times we were able to start the vehicle and managed to reach the nearest pump without any further incident.
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Since i find this thread as the most updated on Safari issues thought i will post some of my 'niggles' with the 'truck'. I own a 2006 DICOR EX version

1. Braking - At 100 kmph the car almost steers towards the left and then steadies - is this something to do with nonavailability of ABS or are the wheels getting locked without me realising?

2. Steering play - i find a wider steering play in my car, the powersteering does not seem to have effect on the front wheels till i make atleast 6-8 inches of turn of the steering wheel.

3. Driver side door power window - this has been a niggling issue from day 1, change of alternator in the previous service also has no effect. The window takes a longer time to close after reaching the half mark. I dont think its a factory designed feature because the problem goes bad to worse after a few weeks with almost 5 mins required to close the window.

Any comments or pointers will help me point to Concorde on the actual fix to be made.

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Old 31st March 2008, 17:21   #273
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Since i find this thread as the most updated on Safari issues thought i will post some of my 'niggles' with the 'truck'. I own a 2006 DICOR EX version

1. Braking - At 100 kmph the car almost steers towards the left and then steadies - is this something to do with nonavailability of ABS or are the wheels getting locked without me realising?[ it shouldnt happen at all]

2. Steering play - i find a wider steering play in my car, the powersteering does not seem to have effect on the front wheels till i make atleast 6-8 inches of turn of the steering wheel. [try steering your Safari when the engine is off to see if PS works. Checked the fluid?]

3. Driver side door power window - this has been a niggling issue from day 1, change of alternator in the previous service also has no effect. The window takes a longer time to close after reaching the half mark. I dont think its a factory designed feature because the problem goes bad to worse after a few weeks with almost 5 mins required to close the window. [what has the alternator to do with this? Maybe the beading is stuck somewhere.]

Any comments or pointers will help me point to Concorde on the actual fix to be made.

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Try another TASS. Seems your TASS guys arent good at troubleshooting.
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Carbaliga - I have a 2008 dicor & have the same problems during braking above 100 kmph. The guys at Manipal have changed everything & it still is not in a mood to behave decent.

Sent a stinker to Tata & manipal called me up for a "re-look" I'm in no mood to spend my weekends at TASS. Hence taking it forward during my next service.
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ABS would have definitely helped here to keep a straight line but I think the main culprit is the weight and height of safari, the wheels might be locking up on hard braking and depending on the dynamics it slides to the left.Remember it weighs more on the rear. I dont think it can be corrected under these circumstances.

Although, this is purely my opinion.

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1. Braking - At 100 kmph the car almost steers towards the left and then steadies - is this something to do with nonavailability of ABS or are the wheels getting locked without me realising?
IIRC, the design of the steering was like this with some play built-in. They corrected it in the 2.2l and now there is no play et all.

JK, PS will not work if you switch of the engine, its a hydraulic PS not an electronic one.

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2. Steering play - i find a wider steering play in my car, the powersteering does not seem to have effect on the front wheels till i make atleast 6-8 inches of turn of the steering wheel.
Something is definitely obstructing the window or the PW gears, since it works fine till half way. Did you swap the motors and check.

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3. Driver side door power window - this has been a niggling issue from day 1, change of alternator in the previous service also has no effect. The window takes a longer time to close after reaching the half mark. I dont think its a factory designed feature because the problem goes bad to worse after a few weeks with almost 5 mins required to close the window.
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1. Braking - At 100 kmph the car almost steers towards the left and then steadies - is this something to do with nonavailability of ABS or are the wheels getting locked without me realising?
In the non-ABS versions, you have to ensure the steering is dead straight during panic braking. You will also encounter similar behaviour when the truck is not fully laden.

The rear wheels lose traction in such scenarios quite easily under no load conditions. Maybe its the tyres as well - my OEM Bridgestone Dueler H/T tyres are now 31,000 km old. But I can say for sure that a loaded Safari is better behaved.
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aburagohain : about the fuel pump, the service guy showed me how to do that when air comes into the fuel lines.. ... good to know about it, though do not plan to use it.. :-)
If you are referring to priming the FIP, then yes - it is good to know. And good not to use it too often.

If ever you have prime the pump to get the engine running - remember it must be done as an exception. If you have to prime the FIP too regularly, then head straight to the TASS & have the fuel lines cleared of any air. Priming too often can screw up your FIP.
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@condor
absolutely sir, i meant to convey that the situation should not be created at all, fill up as early as possible when the car tells you so.

i have gone through that experience in my earlier vehicle, not that i didn't fill up in time but for a leaking pipe.. still consider myself lucky that is.

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Did a 538 km trip to Yercaud and back using plain IOCL diesel and 99% AC. The FE from the fill till back (648 Km) included 110km city driving w/AC came to 7 kmpl.

In the city it was giving 8.5 kmpl with IOCL plain diesel + System D.

Here is the travelogue (Reclaiming Yercaud)
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Did a 538 km trip to Yercaud and back using plain IOCL diesel and 99% AC. The FE from the fill till back (648 Km) included 110km city driving w/AC came to 7 kmpl.

In the city it was giving 8.5 kmpl with IOCL plain diesel + System D.

Here is the travelogue (Reclaiming Yercaud)

7 KPL!!! Man, you need to get your beast checked up. I did a 450 km trip on my 3.0 on a single lane state highway- read no long cruising stints in 5th gear- with AC on 100% and I got 13.5kpl
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Did a 538 km trip to Yercaud and back using plain IOCL diesel and 99% AC. The FE from the fill till back (648 Km) included 110km city driving w/AC came to 7 kmpl.

In the city it was giving 8.5 kmpl with IOCL plain diesel + System D.
Any reason (that you can think of) for the low FE...

I also did a short Pune-Mumbai-Pune run last Sunday, a 300+ Km run. However the fuel guage is still at 3/4 mark and I hav'nt been able to decide whether to fill in fuel to check the FE yet...

I was on Plain diesel - IOCL - No system D.

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Any reason (that you can think of) for the low FE...

I also did a short Pune-Mumbai-Pune run last Sunday, a 300+ Km run. However the fuel guage is still at 3/4 mark and I hav'nt been able to decide whether to fill in fuel to check the FE yet...

I was on Plain diesel - IOCL - No system D.
Do you think when the needle is at centre of fuel gauge its really half tank?
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No checkup is required as I am getting decent figures in the city.

Reasons:

- All AC usage (even on hills)
- 110km city driving before the trip
- The section of road covered Krishnagiri- Dharamapuri- Salem has lots of road construction going on, sometimes you have to drive behind the others at snails pace for many km's before you can overtake.
- Ghat section and hills take the toll on the FE too.

Mumbai- Pune is piece of cake.

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Any reason (that you can think of) for the low FE...

I also did a short Pune-Mumbai-Pune run last Sunday, a 300+ Km run. However the fuel guage is still at 3/4 mark and I hav'nt been able to decide whether to fill in fuel to check the FE yet...

I was on Plain diesel - IOCL - No system D.
JK, I think he already knows the answer. Today when I filled up, the fuel needle was slightly below the mid-point and it guzzled 44 ltrs

The only Correct way is to measure tank to tank.

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Do you think when the needle is at centre of fuel gauge its really half tank?

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vehicle seems much better to drive, thanks to the clutch bleeding that they did free of cost.
Abu, what was this for ?

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Do you think when the needle is at centre of fuel gauge its really half tank?
I filled up only once with the needle ~ half mark. I remember that I had filled in ~ 30-35 L which should be ~ half tank.

I however await other's owners comments / experiences.
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