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Old 29th May 2009, 22:49   #91
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I have a feeling the engine/exhaust/header (design) is prone to sucking in water, with even a small mistake from the driver's side. This after reading the older post (link put up by Vidyut). So i would caution Crv owners from getting too adventurous with water.

Water amount in this case was very lil and hence damage was less, BUT damage was done to MOST expensive parts = Cylinder block which costs a kewl 1 lakh INR after tax.

Current estimate for parts alone is 1.83 lakhs! yeah i know i just recovered from this after 4 hours of feeling dizzy which includes crank shaft. Crank has to be checked and then whitefield will confirm if it requires replacement, if so we can save 48k from the estimate.

Have recommended them to change all 4 rings since its a new block, instead of only one set as per the estimate. They are hardly 2k per set, why compromise now for 6k??!!

Anyways 1.5-2 lakhs damage and getting almost brand new engine (atleast half engine).

ps: i think insurance would cover if flood is included in your comprehensive policy. This car doesnt have comprehensive insurance, so i dont have to think on these terms. Instead it has company lease terms which i cant go into details here.
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In any case I wish you all the best to get the engine and the crv back to original condition. Will make sure my civic goes no where near water.
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Looks like you got the gun retailed. Surprisingly, you seem to be quite concerned about the public image of the CRV, but dont want to say anything to support that opinion.
Now you're just putting words in my mouth... or my head. Whatever.

"Retailed"? Umm, yeah.

@Jaggu - Cylinder block price seems accurate. It might be prudent to replace the rings because they need to bed in all over again in a new block. Usually, any sort of water damage will involve a new block. More water equals more conrods gone, crankshaft damage, head will explode, block cracks so on and so forth...

You got off with relatively minor damage. That is no consolation, I know, but, y'know, thinking positively and such. What is their estimated time of repair?

Insurance will cover if it is comprehensive and has natural calamities specifically mentioned. I believe some policies will have it in fine print that natural calamities are not covered.
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@Benny & Immortalz : while you guys carry on with your gun-fight at CR-V carrol ...
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benbsb29 : Tell me one thing it does better than a car/sedan.
I did like two things with the CR-V:
1. Interiors : the seats that can stretch to become beds. (Now also featured in the Xylo). The picnic table that my '99 CR-V had (aka, the floor of the rear side, above the spare wheel - with foldable legs and all).

2. The AWD was useful in snowy conditions (not heavy snow). Definitely not as good as a 4x4 would be, but sufficient for a little 'normal plus' driving in snowy areas.
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@immortalz: have seen water damage before this so I know that this was a minor example i had seen burst pistons and cranks and was hoping and praying this was not the case, moment the compression check came negative I knew we were looking at a big bill! But still some hope was there that it would be just a bend valve. Never thought connecting rod and associated stuff.

My only linkering worry is towards the cause, is the crv/honda 2.4 engine soft target for water damage? Anyways I can't prove it and don't want to try an experiment also LOL. Fear started after reading the other thread, maybe I'll ask him to describe a lil more in detail his experience.

@condor: it's a good highway car for our Indian roads, though not as tough as Europeans. It's damn comfortable to drive though. I had good experience in rain and soft but not too deep slush, as well as broken Tarmac, again one would wish adapable dampers which will stiffen up at higher speeds.

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Because the car was not driven, it didn't take in water. When submerged in water if you try to start, suddenly the water gets sucked which means bye bye enginel
air/water gets sucked via intake na....not exhuast.

Its quite perplexing because its a long trip from the tailpipe back to the piston. Even during idling the pressure is forcing air OUT of the exhaust.
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Not when silencer chokes, due to water, stalls the engine and reverse vacuum is created. Phenomenon is very much a reality, clearly explained in the link posted by theMag (Uk driving tips or similar)
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air/water gets sucked via intake na....not exhuast.

Its quite perplexing because its a long trip from the tailpipe back to the piston. Even during idling the pressure is forcing air OUT of the exhaust.
If the silencer gets submerged, the exhaust cannot force outwards, it gets choked. Once choked the engine stalls but momentarily creates a vacuum, which sucks the water into the cylinder all the way. After that when you crank its game over.

I guess that's why we rev the car so as to create so much outward pressure that the exhaust cannot get choked.
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Unhappy small relief & long wait

The crank shaft is aok, so saved around 48 grands from the original parts estimate, phew! Availability of parts in Delhi will be confirmed in a day or two, if not then it has to come from Japan i guess

Wonder why it takes so much to confirm if a part is available in the inventory? If not place an order and ship it! Meanwhile tried my luck at getting a replacement car and no luck at dealers end, even if we are ready to pay.

With murphy around, one lands up needing the car most when its in garage lol Right now banking on a Baleno Altura which was given to me by a friend for care taking till its sold.
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Update: Parts have arrived (finally!) and assembly progressing. Should be over in couple of days and delivery by saturday evening after a test drive of 50-70 kms. Brand new half engine and keeping fingers crossed.
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Who is actually doing the assembly? The dealership people? Or specialists from Honda?
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Dealership obviously, I dont think Honda is Ferrari'sh to keep expert available to assemble made in Jap engines for a 18 lakh car
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Well, maybe not. But engine assembly is still a delicate procedure. Ferrari or Suzuki, they are all complex beasts who need a knowing hand.
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Yup its delicate and thats why they are taking time and am not pushing, they give guarantee to the rebuild also, apart from mandatory trial run and checks afterwards for leaks/re torquing etc.

In india this is the next best bet to getting a manufacturer build.
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Default Delays and Honda recommended runin!

Engine has been assembled and today it will go into the car. The SA told that they are gonna do a standing Heat cycling for couple of hours, as recommended by Honda! I was either Honda parts are too tight OR they are still following the age old method of running in, which is not the ideal way.

I dislike this method since it will set the tolerance at idle RPM or slightly higher and screw he rings sealing. Anyways am fed up with Honda's ways and said go ahead but if things are not proper when they deliver, am gonna make their life miserable.

I would have anyday preferred Puma Race Engines - How to run in a new engine, but cant argue with these guys coz they will wash their hands off the warranty.

They will check the engine for any leaks and then do a trail run and then again check, before returning the car. So another day or two.

Keeping all the fingers crossed!

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