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Old 21st September 2012, 11:21   #1816
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Its not the first time. If you look at the page history, most of the pics are of the white elephant. And best of all, those shameless buggers do not even credit me for the pics
I tried searching the link of this specific picture but couldn't find in your Rann Of Kutch travelogue. Shall we paste the link of the TeamBHP page from where this picture has been copied by them? This shall unveil the truth in front of all the members of the group.

BTW why don't you seek remedies under IT Act? Don't we have any such rule wherein using other's material is prohibited? Have you taken any such legal advice in the past?

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Old 21st September 2012, 11:31   #1817
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I tried searching the link of this specific picture but couldn't find in your Rann Of Kutch travelogue. Shall we paste the link of the TeamBHP page from where this picture has been copied by them? This shall unveil the truth in front of all the members of the group.

BTW why don't you seek remedies under IT Act? Don't we have any such rule wherein using other's material is prohibited? Have you taken any such legal advice in the past?

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Its a safari fan page. What they are doing is wrong, but I really do not think the need to go to such lengths. Of course, I can file a DMCA takedown notice with facebook, cause the entire page to go down.
But losing sleep over some childish page admin is not worth it.

BTW, this pic is from Rann of Jaisalmer.
This guy picked up the stuck safari pic from Rann of Kutch to show the prowess of safari's 4x4. It was a riot.
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Old 21st September 2012, 12:13   #1818
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I think you should paste a Copyright notice in promienent color on your pictures. So that Even if they pull it is visible.
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Old 21st September 2012, 12:16   #1819
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I think you should paste a Copyright notice in promienent color on your pictures. So that Even if they pull it is visible.
If look at the pictures, they are cropped and modified using some destructive PP process. Putting a copyright across will ruin it for everybody.
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Old 23rd September 2012, 15:52   #1820
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Default Water splash solution

Water splashing from wheels, or a wash can make 4x4 system go wonky.
I do not like that.
So I have done a jugaad.

I was expecting it to be a one minute solution, but its not.
The duct tape does not stick.

So its best to take edges of polythene, use the holes to tie a knot, and then secure the knot with duct tape.

Also done the same over rear AC piping. Wrap polythene and then secure with duct tape.

Will not be useful for deep water fording, but will protect against splashes.
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^^ May be a fire hazard, in case the plastic sheet comes undone and comes in contact with exhaust components.
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Old 23rd September 2012, 18:01   #1822
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Water splashing ...
So I have done a jugaad....
ROFL. Reminds me of huts by the harbor line in Mumbai- they do similar thing to patch their leaking roofs during monsoon. Only diff being you are patching the bottom instead

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Old 23rd September 2012, 23:14   #1823
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I guess, I will remove most of the plastic, and leave little bits wrapped around the connectors. That should be totally safe.
Anyways, the big piece is away from the exhaust system. Its stretched towards the other side, and secured well.
But in any case, small bits make more sense
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More than a year and no update?
How is WE holding up now?
Any upgrade in the pipeline?
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Old 11th December 2013, 10:05   #1825
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Well we are at 98000+ now. Nothing major now as far as issues are concerned. Most problematic parts have been replaced. Though suspension may need another look soon.
No plans for upgrade. There is nothing in the market worth buying in my budget (15L max)
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Default 103500kms update

So the white elephant has crossed 1 lakh kms.
The last 20,000kms have been relatively peaceful when you compare with the turbulent past.
But still there were notable replacements and stuff apart from servicing etc.,

1. Steering box
I went in for an overhaul as it started leaking. Total cost came to around 6500. The job was partially botched up leading to brake failure, so got it fixed(turning radius adjustment needed)
2. Water pump
Car was losing some water, and also got slight overheating. First suspects were the fans. Cleaned and tightened the couplers. Then timing cover was opened up and a minor leak in water pump was found. Timing belt changed around 65000kms, so it was fine.
3. Center pin - Again, had to get this changed. This is the worst peace of engineering made by a truly incompetent Engineer. Tata, please fire this guy. What sort of awful jugaad this is which requires change every 15-20,000kms or a 1000kms rough road trip

Cost of center pin + Water pump change came to 4900 approx all inclusive (including 950 for coolant 5 liters)

Other things
1. Oil leak - Some sensor right where the filler cap is was leaking. Refitted with anabond. Hopefully it should hold.
2. Rear suspension bushes - Tata estimate is 5000 just for bushes. I am looking out for FNG in Noida. Should be a 2000 INR job. If I cannot find a FNG, will get them changed at TASS
3. All bearing inspected, holding on fine
4. Rear LSD works still. but slight noise. It first went kaput at 60K. This is the approx life of Tata LSD. I suspect will need a change around 120-130K again
5. Alignment is holding fine. After wishbone shaving camber has held steady.
6. Sedimenter needs change, will get it changed at 110000 service.

20,000kms, over a year ago I was contemplating on selling the white elephant. However, lack of any worth buying options in the market meant, we decided to see if we could bring her upto top shape.

Some back of the paper calculations later we have decided to keep her. Part change will always be lower than EMI costs.

What about peace of mind?
Well proactive maintenance
  1. Inspect stuff like water pump at each service
  2. Monitor leaks (gaskets etc.,)
  3. Steering box is a troublesome component, and after overhaul, it should hold for 50K more with ease
  4. Keep an eye out for sensors going kaput - But its well known electronics go kaput usually early in life. What lasts.. lasts
Moreover on the plus side
  1. Engine and turbo seems to be in top shape - No smoke and oil in water or water in oil type of issues
  2. Fuel economy is also good
  3. Half engine(head part) was changed around 30,000kms so considering a life of 150,000kms, I reckon this one should work till 150,000 easily
  4. Clutch was changed at 68000kms - Still quite good with little hardness. Another 15-20K should be possible
  5. AC cools like new
Negatives
  1. Suspension needs work - Again. Tata please fire your suspension engineers. They make SUVs with suspension systems more delicate than hatchbacks
  2. Ever since she was new, she had this fluctuating rpm problem in cold weather, esp high altitude. The problem still is there, but to a lesser extent. Half engine, common rail, injectors etc., etc., did not fix this really only reduced it.
  3. Turbo has a slight whistle. People are scaring me about Tata turbo life. but I guess people who do not practice the start stop 30 second rule often do not need to change turbo even after 100,000kms. So mine should be good till 150,000? Any advice
  4. I am still worried about cooling system. Why did the fan not come on at high speed even with 97 degree temp. Was it really loose contacts. Will need to watch
So this is it.
The 100,000kms done white elephant.

So how did we celebrate the 100,000?
Well we chained her up and took her to Gulaba

More details here ->
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/travel...h-highway.html ((Un)Chained Melody - 36 Hours of Snow, and the Manali Leh Highway)
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Nice update Tanveer. My truck went for 1lac service at TASS and came back with a full suapension overhaul, bearings change, hub greasing, 4 new rims, oil service etc etc., drives almost as new.
Same dilema of replacement. TINA. Maybe the storme if they spruce up the dash and interiors.
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Nice update Tanveer. My truck went for 1lac service at TASS and came back with a full suapension overhaul, bearings change, hub greasing, 4 new rims, oil service etc etc., drives almost as new.
Same dilema of replacement. TINA. Maybe the storme if they spruce up the dash and interiors.
The 4x4 storme is 15L That is 4L too much for a Tata in my books.
Hopefully, in the next 2 years or so, there will be something nice around 10L range which can be a good expedition vehicle.

That said, oberoi is a somewhat decent workshop. They allow me to hang around the vehicle whole day. I guess if preventive maintenance is done, 150,000kms or so should not be too difficult.

This year, the vehicle will do 6 years! If I can keep her in reasonable shape for 8 I will be happy. If I can keep her for 10(like I did my indica, but without the indica troubles) I will be elated!
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Default Suspension Suspension....

Safari is said to be a bad road driver. She loves bad roads. Infact she loves bad roads so much, that she likes to donate the suspension.
This means, every 30K kms or so, you need new bushes.

In our case, it was the rear suspension bushes. Tata quoted about 5500+ Taxes.
Went to a local workshop called Raj motors in Nithari area.

He had another BHPians Safari parked (Deeps), and the job being done was quite major. He also was scanning a Skoda using a laptop.

A friend had gotten a pajero also done from him recently.
So this means confidence.

So 4000rs later(inclusive of everything), the White elephant had the entire 8 rear bushes changed.
No more jittery rear and the thud in potholes.

I am happy I have found a nice workshop where I can go for minor suspension stuff and all. For major stuff there is Oberoi. After my last run-in, I think they are adequately careful around the white elephant.

And since I am roaming on the shop floor keeping an hawk eye, they try to do an even better job.
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Hi Friends.Does any one in pune know a reputed and reliable local workshop where i can get my TCIC checked and if need be serviced as well?

I am asking this since my local mechanic has started to take me for granted and everytime i call him up for any issue he just dismisses it saying "chal rahi hai na"!

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