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Old 25th October 2011, 13:07   #271
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Life is not a journey of arriving safely, but rather to skid in totally worn out and proclaiming. "Wow, what a ride!"

I also come from this school of thought. I just try to enjoy whatever I can afford and attach functionality towards it

And believe me its all about choices nowadays. If you have your heart set out and are backed up by an understanding family, there's no reason you cannot enjoy and pursue passions, whatever they may be. I have done the same thing.

On GTX or 1.6 FIAT, a good car is hard to come by nowadays. But do keep a check on PUG of yahoo groups, the same group on FB as well and ofcourse T-BHP. In fact a fine specimen of a S10 just got transfered to Cochin from Mumbai within the T-BHP family.
Nice thoughts there. I belong to the same school.

Did read about the S10 that's been transferred. Somehow, red is what I am interested in more.

I am searching for a well-maintained 1.6 within the T-bhp family only. Fiats are abused very badly otherwise. I mean, my cousin had one in the past and everything came off every second day. He's always been late to ceremonies or on few occasions missed the celebrations completely. I am not making this up but with this kind of reputation my dad would hardly nod a yes for a used Palio. And because, he's to pay for it, I am left with no alternative choice.

I would definitely buy a GTX someday, this I swear.
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@JVH, thats a a brilliant maintained italians.
Are you still getting it serviced by Venkatesh?
I saw couple of issues while I got my palio serviced from him and now I refrain myself going there. Issues such as-

1. I told him to free up the stiff gear lever, if possible change the cable. He called me up saying he has replaced the cable and the lever is free. Actually he had removed some kind of bush or spring from beneath the lever which made the gear lever free like a hanging stick. I came to know about this jugaad once I gave my car to KHT, they said the cable is still as old as the car. Venkatesh charged me whole amount for cable though it was never replaced.

2. When I gave my car for service, he called me up saying that the radiator needs a clean up. I gave a green signal. Very next day while in the middle of traffic the coolant leaked off and I was stalled (this was in jammed old airport road) .. He came down and after inspection he said the water play has gone rusted. I was again p**sed off with him since this happened very next day of the service. What service did he do then???

3. I wanted my brakes to be fixed since it was not stopping promptly and the wheels were not locking. He said the brakes booster needs a replacement.. How on Earth??? I gave my car to KHT, they said the brakes are bad due to local made brake pads. I got them replaced by originals and now brakes are 100% fine.

4. This may be a slight OT- I trusted him thinking it is a new shop and he will give his best. I left my 1000 bucks worth UCB umbrella in the car by mistake, this was flicked by his mechanics. He returned it back after I started giving my piece of mind one after the other. Now the umbrella is stained with greases and scratches. It is now used by my servants.

Overall I felt that though he may have knowledge but it is mostly hit-and-trial. He is good at fixing known and typical Fiat recurring issues, but is not so great at diagnosing new defects.
I have felt KHT did an incredible job for me. Never ever I have been so much satisfied with any Fiat specialised mechanics or personnel (including Hariprasad)..

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Are you still getting it serviced by Venkatesh?
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I saw couple of issues while I got my palio serviced from him and now I refrain myself going there. Issues such as-

1. I told him to free up the stiff gear lever, if possible change the cable. He called me up saying he has replaced the cable and the lever is free. Actually he had removed some kind of bush or spring from beneath the lever which made the gear lever free like a hanging stick. I came to know about this jugaad once I gave my car to KHT, they said the cable is still as old as the car. Venkatesh charged me whole amount for cable though it was never replaced.

2. When I gave my car for service, he called me up saying that the radiator needs a clean up. I gave a green signal. Very next day while in the middle of traffic the coolant leaked off and I was stalled (this was in jammed old airport road) .. He came down and after inspection he said the water play has gone rusted. I was again p**sed off with him since this happened very next day of the service. What service did he do then???

3. I wanted my brakes to be fixed since it was not stopping promptly and the wheels were not locking. He said the brakes booster needs a replacement.. How on Earth??? I gave my car to KHT, they said the brakes are bad due to local made brake pads. I got them replaced by originals and now brakes are 100% fine.
I saw similar complaints on PUG on him not giving proper atttention recently. When I had a casual chat with him on this, he said that he is not hands on anymore (suffered a leg fracture 6 months ago) and his mechs are doing most of the things and he is not able to keep an eye on all of them. In your case, did he actually do the servicing and billing or one of his mechs? Either case, he is responsible for getting the job done and I understand what you had to go through. If you read my recent service, even I was not happy with him neglecting the wiper motor and the surprising jerks which appeared out of nowhere after servicing. But I forgave him thinking its a one off since he has done excellent jobs before.

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3. I wanted my brakes to be fixed since it was not stopping promptly and the wheels were not locking. He said the brakes booster needs a replacement.. How on Earth??? I gave my car to KHT, they said the brakes are bad due to local made brake pads. I got them replaced by originals and now brakes are 100% fine.
Hmmmm a point to be concerned about here.

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4. This may be a slight OT- I trusted him thinking it is a new shop and he will give his best. I left my 1000 bucks worth UCB umbrella in the car by mistake, this was flicked by his mechanics. He returned it back after I started giving my piece of mind one after the other. Now the umbrella is stained with greases and scratches. It is now used by my servants.

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I too had to go through this. Half of my decals are gone and most of them when the car was in his garage. But never left anything knowingly there. I once forgot my car papers in the car itself but luckily he had stored them separately. Frankly, I never trust anybody on these matters and as a precaution clear off things well before handing over.

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Overall I felt that though he may have knowledge but it is mostly hit-and-trial. He is good at fixing known and typical Fiat recurring issues, but is not so great at diagnosing new defects.
I have felt KHT did an incredible job for me. Never ever I have been so much satisfied with any Fiat specialised mechanics or personnel (including Hariprasad)..
So far he's rectified each and every problem of mine and thats one of the reasons i'm sticking with him. His dishonesty and charging for something which he has not done comes as a slight surprise to me. I understand his other mechs doing these kind of things though.
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Old 27th October 2011, 16:24   #274
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. In your case, did he actually do the servicing and billing or one of his mechs?
For me the car was looked upon by himself. IIRC when I went to him his workshop was almost new.

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I too had to go through this. Half of my decals are gone and most of them when the car was in his garage. But never left anything knowingly there. I once forgot my car papers in the car itself but luckily he had stored them separately. Frankly, I never trust anybody on these matters and as a precaution clear off things well before handing over.
Well stuffs like car papers is highly sensitive and for that matter I dont think any low thinking mechanics will try to steal it, also bcoz papers cannot fetch easy money. I am not trying to be judgmental here but these are just personal thoughts . I have left my mobile and pen drive once at KHT, they gave it back promptly.

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So far he's rectified each and every problem of mine and thats one of the reasons i'm sticking with him. His dishonesty and charging for something which he has not done comes as a slight surprise to me. I understand his other mechs doing these kind of things though.
I was quite impressed with the level of confidence he showed to me initially. But then, there was a break of 1 year since I had visited any Fiat A>S>S>. I was getting more than done of fitting spurious parts into my car once it went to workshops like Hariprasad, Bosch and Venkatesh.
I paid close to 8k to KHT but there is a big sigh of relief since I got almost all the spurious parts replaced with genuine. The behavior of my car has changed in a way like it was never before.
Might be my personal opinion, but I think you should give a shot to Fiat guys. They are getting better day after day.

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I was quite impressed with the level of confidence he showed to me initially. But then, there was a break of 1 year since I had visited any Fiat A>S>S>. I was getting more than done of fitting spurious parts into my car once it went to workshops like Hariprasad, Bosch and Venkatesh.
I paid close to 8k to KHT but there is a big sigh of relief since I got almost all the spurious parts replaced with genuine. The behavior of my car has changed in a way like it was never before.
Might be my personal opinion, but I think you should give a shot to Fiat guys. They are getting better day after day.
Surprising. May I know what are the spurious parts you are referring. Fiat cars are any day better when compared with other cars say > 4 year old(Rattle gallore). Legendary ride quality is still quite evident inspite of worn strut bearing. I may need to replace strut as it has high negative camber but worried of getting taiwan parts for replacement.

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Surprising. May I know what are the spurious parts you are referring. Fiat cars are any day better when compared with other cars say > 4 year old(Rattle gallore). Legendary ride quality is still quite evident inspite of worn strut bearing. I may need to replace strut as it has high negative camber but worried of getting taiwan parts for replacement.

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@vijay, the spurious parts list includes the exhaust, brake pads, brake discs, ignition coil, headlight assembly, starter motor teeth (dunno the tech name), gear lever bush, water play etc. Out of the list I have gradually got rid of many, still the exhaust is main thing to get replaced.
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Brake pads are the worst. Thankgod you got rid of it. Incidentally original TVS brake pads cost Rs 600 only then whats the necessary for going to spurious part. I had poor braking performance in my car. I literally need to stand on the brakes to stop. I was contemplating to change pads and disc rotors. One fine day I was inspecting the engine bay and found vacuum hose for the brake booster got a leak. Once fixed the braking is back in shape. I dont need to worry for another 15K kms now.
I think both of us have the same issue. My starter motor is also making grrr... noise, gear is also not slotting properly. It was tight and I am feeling the cable is the culprit. What is water play? If you are replacing the exhaust you can remove the cat-con and get 0.5 kmpl extra mileage and a slight push in the midrange.

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But Might be my personal opinion, but I think you should give a shot to Fiat guys. They are getting better day after day.
Actually, my bad experiences with the A.S.S led me to explore the independent workshops in the first place. Haven't gone there in ages now.

KHT is close to my office, I might give a shot next time for regular servicing.

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Hi Folks!

Some good news to share. The GTX completes 100000 kms
Happened about 2 weeks ago.

Palio GTX - Red beast comes home! EDIT: update @100,000 kms-img00559201111231724.jpg

Need your inputs on the following -
  1. Am looking for new leathers for the seats. Have heard about Stanley, Karlsson, Ovion and a few others in various threads. Whom do you recommend? Budget not exceeding 20K.
  2. Exterior and Interior detailing. Have a few scratches and paint peels to fix on the exterior. Interior will be generic. Since this has to be done, am not fixing on the budget. Recommendations on good detailers please. Would Ultimate Detailerz be a good choice?
  3. A good music system. Am a complete noob in this department. Suggestions for a decent head unit and speakers please. The boot should not consume a lot of space. Budget - 15K.
TIA!
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Karlsson is good and Ovion as well has had good reports. I'm using Karlsson. Check my thread in Bangalore directory for pics. You can check with Rameshnanda who got Karlsson done a few weeks ago.

Edit -> http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...y-chennai.html (Workmanship while fitting after-market seat covers (Stanley Chennai))


Ultimate Detailerz are a good choice give them a ring. Looking at their work I dont think any one has had any complaints so far!

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Thanks bottle!

Ultimate detailerz it will be. Will talk to all the leather guys and then see whats feasible.

Surya (planet_rocker) gives me a wild suggestion - Why not go for a Evotion Titanium EV801 endcan? Hmmm this gets me thinking. The ICE as is just OK in the car. There is actually no need of an upgrade but I thought I can gift the car with some niceties having completed 1L kms. So instead of ICE, why not a Evotion?

Went through Sathee's thread and I'm very impressed. Would this fit on the GTX? Anyone in Bangalore got it installed? I would like to see and hear it upclose but not sure where or how to begin.

For starters, who stocks them in Bangalore?
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it will be be plug and play with very less adjustments. The three-holed end can mount (rubber) may need slight alteration. Other than that the length of the OEM part is at par with the EV801.

PS: OEM part has one "hinge? (L-shapeed thingy)" at the exhaust side and two hinges (L-shapped thingy) on the intake side. if the EV801 has similar hinges - no adjustment is required.

PS2: get in touch with PJSPEED on Team BHP.

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Hi Folks!

Some good news to share. The GTX completes 100000 kms
Happened about 2 weeks ago.

A good music system. Am a complete noob in this department. Suggestions for a decent head unit and speakers please. The boot should not consume a lot of space. Budget - 15K.
TIA!
Congrats man on this milestone. I guess this is the first GTX i have seen with 1lakh odo. Appreciate your work on maintaining this wonderful specimen.

Regarding music system:
I have a kenwood u546 (with USB)-5k,
Morel 5 1/4" speakers(stock size). -5k. (Good voice clarity)
if you are willing to go for a bigger size,try 6 1/4"-same prize but more efficiency.
For bass,you can add any good 6X9 oval speakers.-3-4k
MDF board for rear speakers.
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PS2: get in touch with PJSPEED on Team BHP.
Called him. He either did not sound convinced on ths model or probably there is no stock. The voice quality on the phone was bad so couldn't completely get what he said. In any case, he'll mail me the details and I can then start pondering over it.

Thanks Surya

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Congrats man on this milestone. I guess this is the first GTX i have seen with 1lakh odo. Appreciate your work on maintaining this wonderful specimen.
Thanks! I've seen many which have clocked more 1.3L in very good conditions but they aren't part of the forum so we hardly get to know about them. But good to be a part of an elite club ;-)

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I have a kenwood u546 (with USB)-5k,
Morel 5 1/4" speakers(stock size). -5k. (Good voice clarity)
if you are willing to go for a bigger size,try 6 1/4"-same prize but more efficiency.
For bass,you can add any good 6X9 oval speakers.-3-4k
MDF board for rear speakers.
Will keep this in mind if the endcan project stalls.
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Congrats on the milestone! Now aim for double this!

Btw, instead of an end can, i would suggest getting a good free flow done. get a mild sounding one done, with a resonator, and see the car fly. Talking from personal experience with the S10.

An end can will just make noise, and is a waste of cash IMHO.
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