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Old 24th April 2012, 12:29   #3256
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Noticed two problems over the weekend drive to Tirupati.

One when suddenly hard braking from speeds of about 120 the car shuddered a little and it felt as if the brakes were struggling to bite. This did not happen if the braking was slow and smooth. Looks like as its mentioned above need to get the brake discs checked under warranty.
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I have had this same issue of brake judder. The steering also vibrates slightly when this occurs. Noticed it on a long drive and got it checked at a Honda A.S.S en route. They attributed it to uneven disk wear and recommended skimmimg. There was also a faint whistling sound when brakes were applied if I remember correctly. Post skimming it has gone away but am waiting to see how it behaves on a long drive.
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mayank & manim; Honda do not believe in fixing problems y repairs but of replacing the discs. You have to take a value judgement. In my view skimming or honing within limits (say 0.030" on each face) is perfectly fine.
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mayank & manim; Honda do not believe in fixing problems y repairs but of replacing the discs. You have to take a value judgement. In my view skimming or honing within limits (say 0.030" on each face) is perfectly fine.
So, will skimming be done at the Honda Authorized Service Station?

If not, how to make sure that third-party skimming guarantees safety?
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So, will skimming be done at the Honda Authorized Service Station?

If not, how to make sure that third-party skimming guarantees safety?
As far as i know, Honda A.S.S gets it done from their tie-ups with third party service providers. Skimming needs to be done on lathes which is not present in the service centres. Mine was done at Peninsular Honda in Calicut and touchwood no issues after that. Anyways the car is due for a service, will be asking the service advisor to check it again then.
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As far as i know, Honda A.S.S gets it done from their tie-ups with third party service providers. Skimming needs to be done on lathes which is not present in the service centres. Mine was done at Peninsular Honda in Calicut and touchwood no issues after that. Anyways the car is due for a service, will be asking the service advisor to check it again then.
This is quite normal. Only in the west do you see special brake honing machines, which essentially only allow automated movement across the face, and thus discourage any movement in the other direction. However, the skill levels of the average lathe chap in India are far higher.
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My car at 7K reading and six months old, wouldn't this be covered under warranty?

I remember warranty is 4 years and 80K kms, but not sure if disc brakes are covered under warranty or not?
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My car at 7K reading and six months old, wouldn't this be covered under warranty?

I remember warranty is 4 years and 80K kms, but not sure if disc brakes are covered under warranty or not?
That is a little too early for brake judder to start I think. You should definitely check with the Honda A.S.S. Mine started at around the 28K mark.
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My car at 7K reading and six months old, wouldn't this be covered under warranty?

I remember warranty is 4 years and 80K kms, but not sure if disc brakes are covered under warranty or not?
From the warranty booklet:
Brake pads (I think also brake discs) are NOT covered under warranty.
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Disk skimming can be done from a garage outside for about 600 all four. Whereas Honda would charge about 2k.
Also Brake pads of non oem make would be around 3500 for all four. And Honda am not sure about.
Its mainly the labour charge that makes it so expensive.
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Disk skimming can be done from a garage outside for about 600 all four. Whereas Honda would charge about 2k.
Also Brake pads of non oem make would be around 3500 for all four. And Honda am not sure about.
Its mainly the labour charge that makes it so expensive.
That's definitely cheaper, but how advisable would it be to get work done on such a critical component from an outside garage. I think I would prefer to have the Honda A.S.S arrange for skimming. A little better accountability I feel.
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No way ! This seems to be a more common problem than I thought, eh?

I had brake judder from around 12K kms in my MT. All of you who have judder, feel the front discs with your fingers. Do they have undulations/unevenness ? Compare with the rear disc if you need to. Mine did.

I reported it. SA accepted it was strange for a 12K kms run MT. But suggested checking it out for some more time. I kept having the problem occasionally since high speeds in the city were a rarity. I used to have problems braking from 140-150 upwards.

Come 21-22K, I took it up again. This time with a bit more push. I wanted a warranty replacement. I was told Honda does not do it. Honda recommends skimming and replacement of pads (at owners cost). If the problem re-surfaces with a few months/few K kms again, then only would they replace the discs under warranty .. blah blah ...

So I said fine .. lets start the process. HASS took lots of measurements of the discs and pads and took snaps and sent a report to Honda. I was told I would get a formal e-mail report in 7 days. Nothing happened for 10 days. Called up HASS, who said Honda wants skimming to be done. I said fine, and I'll go ahead with it once I get the official report. I also lodged a complaint at Honda 1-on-1 about the delay in getting the report.

HASS suddenly calls me up the next day and says, sir we have got the go ahead to replace !! Please bring the car. I went the next day and they replaced the front discs and pads. (I have mentioned this in my ownership thread .. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...e-vm-t-20.html (ShuvCivic - Tafeta White VM/T)).

Not sure what exactly transpired. Since I did not ultimately get any e-mail. I do hope I got a new set

I tested it the week after with some varying high speeds (upto very high!) on the highway. But whatever it is that they did, brakes are lovely once more !! So I'm happy ...

edit: @mayank you should definitely push for warranty replacement if discs have problems @7K kms.

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All of you who have judder, feel the front discs with your fingers. Do they have undulations/unevenness ? Compare with the rear disc if you need to. Mine did.

edit: @mayank you should definitely push for warranty replacement if discs have problems @7K kms.
Thanks @shuvc, i checked the discs this morning, they have very slight undulations, sort of like hairline. I could only feel it and cannot see it. Will surely contact the SA and push for replacement.

My guess is Discs should be normally covered under warranty, but as someone above said it does not seem to be so.
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A piece of advice on disk skimming. I did that on my front disks some time ago. Recently when I had to leave the car unattended for 7 weeks, a thick layer of rust formed on it. Compared to that, the rear disks that were not skimmed didn't rust at all.

So once you skim, make sure you check the disks periodically for rust.
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A piece of advice on disk skimming. I did that on my front disks some time ago. Recently when I had to leave the car unattended for 7 weeks, a thick layer of rust formed on it. Compared to that, the rear disks that were not skimmed didn't rust at all.

So once you skim, make sure you check the disks periodically for rust.
That's quite an interesting observation. the quality of the steel should be same throughout right? Then why would a skimmed disc show rust while an unskimmed one is fine when the surface material remains same.
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Recently when I had to leave the car unattended for 7 weeks, a thick layer of rust formed on it. Compared to that, the rear disks that were not skimmed didn't rust at all.
So once you skim, make sure you check the disks periodically for rust.
I do not think the rust is a because of skimming, as i see a thin layer of rust in my Baleno as well (that too after overnight, or maybe a day of not driving). A thin layer of rust is to protect the metal, gets formed even when the discs are new.
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