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Old 25th March 2009, 17:06   #76
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I would trust the manufacturer's brochure rather than the dealer's. Specs on their website did not seem to mention ABS/EBD.
True. I've heard dealers explaining ABS to customers as Automatic Brake System!
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There's no ABS or EBD on the truck, I have the company brochure with me, there is no mention of both, conformed it with the dealer here there's none.

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True. I've heard dealers explaining ABS to customers as Automatic Brake System!
If the dealer was explaining this with respect to the xenon than, he must be explaining about the pressure release valve on the truck's rear brake. It is use to prevent rear wheel lock on this vehicle as the weight transfer takes places and the rear has less weight the rear wheel tend to lock up.
Dealers should train the sales guys with proper terms.
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If the dealer was explaining this with respect to the xenon than, he must be explaining about the pressure release valve on the truck's rear brake. It is use to prevent rear wheel lock on this vehicle as the weight transfer takes places and the rear has less weight the rear wheel tend to lock up.
Why blame just the dealers? Out here its called DBD or Disaster By Design.
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If the dealer was explaining this with respect to the xenon than,
No, it wasn't in relation to Xenon. In fact it had happened at two Maruti dealerships and the guys were describing the Swift and Dezire.

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he must be explaining about the pressure release valve on the truck's rear brake. It is use to prevent rear wheel lock on this vehicle as the weight transfer takes places and the rear has less weight the rear wheel tend to lock up.
Even first gen. Sumos had it.

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Dealers should train the sales guys with proper terms.
They need to learn themselves first so that they can train. Selling automobiles is just another business for them. The passion is lacking.
Also, better educated and more knowledgeable salesmen cost more and so that's another factor.

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Excellent narration. But I dont get it. Do we have a winner?!
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There's no ABS or EBD on the truck, I have the company brochure with me, there is no mention of both, conformed it with the dealer here there's none.

If the dealer was explaining this with respect to the xenon than, he must be explaining about the pressure release valve on the truck's rear brake. It is use to prevent rear wheel lock on this vehicle as the weight transfer takes places and the rear has less weight the rear wheel tend to lock up.
Dealers should train the sales guys with proper terms.
Its not the dealer staff that said anything,it was written on the dealer price list. Also the company brchure claims even 4X2 has LSD but the owner's manual states that its only the 4X4 that has it. Need to get that checked as well.

Thankfully the sales guy realising the way I was inspecting the vehicle (read bending down to look at the underbody and the engine bay), he preferred to keep his trap shut except telling me that the vehicle is available off the shelf and other sales related stuff.

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No, it wasn't in relation to Xenon. In fact it had happened at two Maruti dealerships and the guys were describing the Swift and Dezire. Even first gen. Sumos had it.

They need to learn themselves first so that they can train. Selling automobiles is just another business for them. The passion is lacking.
Also, better educated and more knowledgeable salesmen cost more and so that's another factor.
Why singularly blame the dealer and the dealer staff. The market behaves the way consumers want it. How many car buyers out in the market know the difference between torque and HP or CC and HP. A guy in my building just bought the ANHC and when I asked him how was the low end pick up and performance, he told me that " it was good, gives 15kmpl, he always get genuine company addons and has put white leather seat , steering covers and reverse camera to improve performance" . This is how 90% of vehicle owners react in this country.

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Excellent narration. But I dont get it. Do we have a winner?!
Well that depends on how you look at it. If you are comparing with Prado, LC, CRV, Hi-Lux and Endy, then obviously its no where near. But if we compare apple to apple with what is available in India from Force, Mahindra or previous TATA models, it is definitely a step up. Over all on looks and interiors combined I would give it a 6/10. Haven't done the TD yet, so once its done will be able to comment better.
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Xenon has a lot of eye candy, but if I have to put my money on and I could buy a brand new Gypsy, I would definitely pick a Gypsy.
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1. Low ratio gearbox : Forget anything else, the Xenon doesn't even have a low ratio gearbox. On most OTRs, I am using my low ratio boxes about 1/2 the time. A low ratio is not an option here, it is a necessity. And mind you, we go as low as 2nd low on some stretches....even 3rd low ain't torque enough.

The Xenon does have a 2 speed transfer case (HI & LO). Go to this link, and click on the 4x4 icon and it clearly states 4 HI & 4 LO
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1. Low ratio gearbox : Forget anything else, the Xenon doesn't even have a low ratio gearbox. ...
It does have the 4L gearing (2-speed transfer-case)


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The Xenon does have a 2 speed transfer case (HI & LO). Go to this link, and click on the 4x4 icon and it clearly states 4 HI & 4 LO
Xenon XT Highlights
The above is just an image where 4H & 4L is shown: I think the link below would be more explanatory


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The 2-speed transfer case is definitely present.
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Xenon has the same 4x4 borg warner system as the safari.
So you have 4H and 4L. The 4L essentially gives you a crawler gear which is very very useful in tough conditions.
As for LSD only 4x4 has LSD, the 4x2 does not come with LSD.
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Xenon has the same 4x4 borg warner system as the safari.
So you have 4H and 4L. The 4L essentially gives you a crawler gear which is very very useful in tough conditions.
As for LSD only 4x4 has LSD, the 4x2 does not come with LSD.
The TATA Literature says that LSD is present even in the 4X2 as well.

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Check the owners manual. Promotional literature can have mistakes.
If your owners manual says that it does not have LSD, it means that differential oil will be different.
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Check the owners manual. Promotional literature can have mistakes.
If your owners manual says that it does not have LSD, it means that differential oil will be different.
I have both the owner's manual and the promo literature.

I don't think TATA's would make that kind of blunder on the promo literature.

If LSD were not standard, why would they shod the 4x2 with 205R16 tyres which are supposed to be mud specialist tyres.
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Does your owners manual say LSD for 4x2? If so, then its LSD.
What I meant is that you should go by what owners manual says, because thats the rulebook when it comes to maintenance.
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Does your owners manual say LSD for 4x2? If so, then its LSD.
What I meant is that you should go by what owners manual says, because thats the rulebook when it comes to maintenance.
I would like to differ on that one. With some serious back ground in marketing in the Automobile Industry, I can tell you that the TATA wouldn't commit that kind of blunder in its product brochure which is the first point of product information for the customer.

The same cannot be said about the owners manual, where in a single standard version is printed. So small additions don't exactly get incorporated.

Also considering the number of Xenons TATA would be selling, they might have decided to go with single differential type.

Will contact TATA fellows and confirm
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