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Old 8th April 2010, 17:15   #166
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A nice review JSL. Good to know your beast running well despite so many KMs piled up so fast.

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Nice update.
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Problems and negative feedback:
Wheel alignment is a problem because this can only be done at a TASS due to the shims adjustment. This is a big pain since they take the whole day to do it and sometimes after a trial keep the vehicle for another day to correct it.
How often have you had to adjust shims? The normal alignment can be done anywhere, anytime; its only if the Camber is out that shim adjustment needs to be done (and hence TASS). In my case, have only had to do shim adjustment once so far. If you're needing Camber adjustment frequently, something doesn't sound right.....
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I think the frequent OTRs take their toll. Add to that if tie rods are changed or adjusted, camber can go out easily.
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I think the frequent OTRs take their toll. Add to that if tie rods are changed or adjusted, camber can go out easily.
Maybe the OTRs do. As far as Tie Rods are concerned, how many times would you change them in a span of 43k kms (he says the suspension is still in good shape so I don't think he's changed even once)??

And remember, this is Camber we are talking about, not Toe.

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Good 2 years report JSL .

@suman : the probelem is that all Caster , Camber and Toe values are different for 2.2 then older Safaris.

Earlier toe value between - 30'' and +30'' was acceptable but in 2.2 Dicor the correct toe value is 3 deg and few mts. The values for 2.2 Dicor are still not there in the Computers of alignment shops.

So even if you don't have to adjust the shims outside alignment centre set toe values wrongly and thus vehicle start pulling here and there.
Best is to take to T.A.S.S every 10K kilometers.

Since my driving is very less till now I have taken it just once to T.A.S.S after most reputed alignment center in Bangalore caused misalignment.
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jaysmokesleaves,
Great summing up of your 2 years ownership.
Was your beast called for retro ?
or its 3l one.

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Nice update.

How often have you had to adjust shims? The normal alignment can be done anywhere, anytime; its only if the Camber is out that shim adjustment needs to be done (and hence TASS). In my case, have only had to do shim adjustment once so far. If you're needing Camber adjustment frequently, something doesn't sound right.....
In the entire ownership period ive done alignment only 3 times.
First one at around 18k kms after my Spiti trip. Then at 30k kms I went to the TASS and they were too busy and told me to come by appointment after 2 days. So I did the alignment from a tire shop outside. At 38k kms the Safari started pulling to the right and braking went awry too so I went to the TASS and they did the alignment but on turning right there was a distinct tire screeching sound even at low speeds which magnified on the highway at higher speeds. So I finished my GJ trip and went back to them to rectify it at 43k and they kept the vehicle for 2 days because they were busy. On day 1 they swapped the tires and realigned but the noise continued, so on day 2 they adjusted the shims and returned the vehicle perfectly alright. The service advisor told me that its better to do alignment at the TASS because the shims cannot be adjusted outside... which leads me to believe that 2 days for wheel alignment at the TASS is a big pain since they have a monopoly... and I dont have the time.

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I think the frequent OTRs take their toll. Add to that if tie rods are changed or adjusted, camber can go out easily.
Im sure it was the 3 OTRs back to back that i attended at 37k kms that caused the alignment to go awry at 38k. But the tie rods have not yet been changed. They checked it and said its OK and the shims adjustment will be enough.

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A nice review JSL. Good to know your beast running well despite so many KMs piled up so fast.
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The plan was to do 75k in 2years but my travel plans went awry due to my work schedule.

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jaysmokesleaves,
Great summing up of your 2 years ownership.
Was your beast called for retro ?
or its 3l one.
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My TASS apparently has not heard of any retro being carried out. Even the customer care executive from TML didnt have a clue about it.
Im glad they dont have a cllue because my Safari is working fine and I dont want them to touch it. I dont think will go even if they call me.

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Best is to take to T.A.S.S every 10K kilometers.
Amit, the problem is that most TASS in the NCR do not have equipment for alloy wheel alignment; thus, we (as in those with Alloy wheels) have little option but to use the non-TASS outlets. We have some good ones who use 3D machines & those are the ones to visit. Of course, for shim adjustment, I use the TASS.

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Amit, the problem is that most TASS in the NCR do not have equipment for alloy wheel alignment; thus, we (as in those with Alloy wheels) have little option but to use the non-TASS outlets. We have some good ones who use 3D machines & those are the ones to visit. Of course, for shim adjustment, I use the TASS.
Lucky you that alignment shops have correct values, for me they did on 3D machine charged more and then misaligned insisting -30'' to +30'' toe is correct which was true for TCIC Safari and Sumo and not for 2.2 Dicor
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A good 2 year report, JSL!

As for the alignment part, I found that even TASS used a reference to an older variant when doing the alignment, but the values have been modified as per a circular from TATA. Not sure what will happen if they do an alignment for the older variant through.

This non-availability of proper reading at outside alignment centers is what is keeping me at TASS, especially after reading Amitk26's experience.
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The problem with going to the TASS for alignment is that they have just too many cars to handle. Just getting alignment done takes a whole day at the TASS as compared to a few hours elsewhere. As in my case they did the alignment in the afternoon, took a trial in the evening and said that its ready. I went and took a trial and found it just the same. SO a whole day went waste and they kept the Safari till next afternoon to fix it and take trial and I got delivery at 5 pm. Thats 2 full days for alignment.
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