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Old 6th August 2009, 15:20   #61
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just curios. Isnt this the job of the gearbox oil ?
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hey humyum, so you found a solution on your own. thats good news!! Its best to diagnose the car yourself as you cannot depend on any of the so called specialist mechanics. It is you who drives the car all the time and only you can know whats wrong with it. 1 time test drive on the stretch by any mechanic will never be able to make out the problem as precisely as the driver himself. Best of luck humyum and happy driving.
Yeah man, for them as long as its shifting its fine, the qualtiy of the shift is irrelevant. They have no idea what kind of perfection a car crazy guy would look for.

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hey thats a good news and you found out urself which i suppose you would in that case cause mind games keeps on coming until we have sorted that thing out of car.
Yeah, i used to be always in an irritable mood while driving as i hated anything not being perfect in the car. IMAGINE, i had been to a temple once and the list of things i wanted from god had 'a smooth' gearshift as the first one

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just curios. Isnt this the job of the gearbox oil ?
Aree no, this is the shifter inside the passenger cabin that has this ball and socket time of arrangment which was faulty and needed WD40 or maybe some filing from inside/replacment if it comes back again.
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I posted a query wrt to my earlier 15 service query which led to an interesting discovery with my Swift Vdi

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...0-000-kms.html (Peted Swift VDi ABS 10000kms Review. EDIT : Updated to 20,000 kms)

Since we are on the topic gearbox issues it would be great if any of you had any such issues or have any suggestions.

To be very honest i really dont like my things being open for experimentation at the service station ( even though Vitesse at prabhadevi is possibly the best *** in Mumbai).


Mods: if you guys feel it is a duplicate thread please feel free to remove either one of my threads
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Humyum,
buddy reading about your car woes makes me shudder.I mean we are talking about the no. 1 car manafacturer in India and this is not expected from such a brand which sells like hot cakes.
I think you should save yourslef the heartburn and maybe sell it off and get a new set of wheels.
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Old 23rd August 2009, 18:09   #65
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Humyum,
buddy reading about your car woes makes me shudder.I mean we are talking about the no. 1 car manafacturer in India and this is not expected from such a brand which sells like hot cakes.
I think you should save yourslef the heartburn and maybe sell it off and get a new set of wheels.
Ha ha, Bro after all this the brake booster failed too, that was replaced, they sensed the rear engine mount a little weak and that inspite of being a rubber part was replaced under warranty and now everything seems perfect or atleast looks like it.

Just some niggling issues i would say, the people at the service station around not that technically sound to sort the problems out of this car and hence the issues.

But Vitesse seems to be among the better lot and seem to sort things out by taking the trouble of diognising and sorting it out rather than saying its 'normal'.

I would say this is not a perfect car and people expecting real quality should stay away from this one, Its not built to last is the feeling i get from inside whenever i drive

My 10 year old 800 was better built afte 10 years of abuse than this 7 month and 16 thousand km old swift.

But none the less the turbo will put a smile on your face, the brilliant handling will make u push it around left right and center but i ll also remind you that you are nearing the 5000 km service mark and everything needs tbe tigtned and look into again.

I think this car cannot take a 10 thousand km service interval, and every 5 thousand it should be given for service.

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whoa! what a thread! well all i can say is you got a lemon, and then you got incompetent engineers on the job, then rude sales and service guys, then some solace in vitesse, and then perhaps the biggest satisfaction in repairing your car yourself.

i can sympathise with you when you say you cant drive around in a car with problems, and when these issues manifest on every gear change, i know for a fact how irritating it can get. gets on your nerves literally.

well why not think of changing your car. i know its hard, but then peace of mind is paramount at times.
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Old 23rd August 2009, 23:00   #67
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whoa! what a thread! well all i can say is you got a lemon, and then you got incompetent engineers on the job, then rude sales and service guys, then some solace in vitesse, and then perhaps the biggest satisfaction in repairing your car yourself.

i can sympathise with you when you say you cant drive around in a car with problems, and when these issues manifest on every gear change, i know for a fact how irritating it can get. gets on your nerves literally.

well why not think of changing your car. i know its hard, but then peace of mind is paramount at times.
Even i thought about asking them for a replacement car every time something or the other came up and then vitesse was god sent, After the service the car feels as good as new.

All issues seem to have been sorted out.

About the brake booster fiasco, it was like whenever the brake pedal was released after a brake application it used to make a metallic clinging sound, the bite of the brake had reduced.

I expected a long argument at vitesse as brake bite is something which is a personal opinion and they driving the car for 2 kilomoter test drive with no passengers wont make them notice.

The brake booster sound was promptly acknowledged by Mr Ganatra who is GOD when it comes to diagonising and Mr Vishwas who is so customer friendly that he will check each and everything u seem to notice in the car as a problem. Really GOD sent these people where.

Mr Allan who i think is the head service advisor there rebuffed the booster sound as 'normal' and the booster is sucking air and its fine.

But Mr Ganatra and Vishwas were adamant that the booster will be changed in this car come what may as this is not normal.

Takes real courage to fight with your superiors for a car which is not even theirs but a customers whom they have only met like twice or thrice.

And the brake booster removal in a swift is not easy, the AC gas needs to be drained and pipes removed as the AC pipes interfere with the removal of the brake booster.

They kept the car for 2 days, checked everything , double checked everything, The higher ups at Vitesse acknwledged that this is the first swift diesel that has come to them with a booster failure and they need to file a report with maruti about this. The higher ups also got to know about something or the other going wrong with my car in these months and told them to check the car from each and every angle up an down and change whatever is necessary before giving me the car.

Who would change an engine mount just because he had a doubt when he started the car about a little shake under warranty

Kudos to Vitesse, really, I have my smile back after all these months, Its far from my house, i literally dred going there sometimes as if they keep the car i have to come back by bus which takes around an hour as i stay at ghatkopar but never the less its all worth it.

A perfect car, negates all the sweat, bus lines, waste of time and what not.

I hope these are the end of bad times and a new chapter.
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Just some niggling issues i would say, the people at the service station around not that technically sound to sort the problems out of this car and hence the issues.

But Vitesse seems to be among the better lot and seem to sort things out by taking the trouble of diognising and sorting it out rather than saying its 'normal'.

I would say this is not a perfect car and people expecting real quality should stay away from this one, Its not built to last is the feeling i get from inside whenever i drive
I thought the Maruti service center guys were professionals and well trained. Too bad they did not know what to do to resolve the situation. I think maruti needs to focus on their QA and improve their standards to resolve such issues from occurring.
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Old 11th September 2009, 09:56   #69
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Now the fiasco continues, the gearshifts again become hard, Its not the shifter, and Vitesse is faaaaaaaaar, i cannot simply push myself anymore
to go there because of the distance, just thinking about the hour trip back makes me shudder, bus, standing with no air to breath and all
this for a mistake i made of buying this pathetic car, NO WAY, I am not going to be the one to suffer because of a bad product and after
spending 5 nd half lakh ponies definitnately no way !

I call my friend, he knows the problem, he calls the customer relation manager at spectra ghatkopar west. Its near to my place, we go there
and show him the gearshifts. He says its defininately the clutch/pressure plate

Imagine a third clutch change in 16 nd half thousand km with the first one being at 10 thousand and the 3rd being at 16nd half thousand.
Which sums upto 6 nd half thousand km/3rd clutch. I am disgusted, the gearshifting is ok now, still not as good as compared to other swift
diesels, It judders in 1st gear now, did not judder when i took delivery of it, the next day morning it started, the brakes have become weak now,
no bite, the brake booster too was replaced sometime back at vitesse after it started making sounds and the pedal pressure required started getting more.

I have been more than 20 times to service stations for other than the regular services in this ownership experience of mine and this is only at this stage when a car would not even be called as hatched outta its egg. Heck in my previous zen the only time i have been to a service station for extra work is when the booster failed. If this is the state of the swift D at such an early age, i guess i would have to tent at the service station after a year ot 2

Last night i decided, i have had enough, I complained to maruti's help line number in the harshest of words.

Final verdict, even if they replace every part inside i dont care, I WANT A NEW car or my money refunded. Am i not justifed enough after all this to ask for this ?

I was a maruti loyalist all my life but now i am not sure, their quality has gone to dog.

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Hi Humyum,

I thought your troubles had come to an end, but after reading your latest post, I would agree with GeekSrik's suggestion. I think it's time to cut your losses by selling the car and going for a different option this time. At this point of time we are spoilt for choice in the hatchback segment

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Far too many troubles for your car and no doubt, you will be really pissed off by all this.

Why don't you ask a Maruti Engineer to be sent over to ascertain whether its again the clutch or something else that's the issue. 3 clutches in 6.5k kms is way too bad even for a maruti. My Zen had its clutch replaced at 17k kms and till I sold it last month at 27k, there were no other issues. My cousin's Swift D (14k kms) also has a juddering in lower gears but Maruti ruled out worn out clutch in his case. Dont know what the final solution was.
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Hi Humyum,

I thought your troubles had come to an end, but after reading your latest post, I would agree with GeekSrik's suggestion. I think it's time to cut your losses by selling the car and going for a different option this time. At this point of time we are spoilt for choice in the hatchback segment

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I would have defininately let this one go if the entire breed was faulty, but here the case is only mine and selling a 8 month car with 16 and half thousand kilometer on it is defininately not happening because
1) the company should see to it that my problem is solved to my satisfaction
2) I cannot let them get away with this.

A swift has been a dream for our family since 4 years and i just cannot digest my dads hard earned money for this dream getting drained away like this. This is going to be a fight till the finish where in either i win or either i win !

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Far too many troubles for your car and no doubt, you will be really pissed off by all this.

Why don't you ask a Maruti Engineer to be sent over to ascertain whether its again the clutch or something else that's the issue. 3 clutches in 6.5k kms is way too bad even for a maruti. My Zen had its clutch replaced at 17k kms and till I sold it last month at 27k, there were no other issues. My cousin's Swift D (14k kms) also has a juddering in lower gears but Maruti ruled out worn out clutch in his case. Dont know what the final solution was.
Yes a maruti engineering is coming tomorrow afternoon, lets see what the solution turns out to be, preminalry diagonising on my part points towards a uneven worn input shaft in the gearbox.

As for the brakes, i dont know what they are going to do about that but one thing is for sure after all this, i am not paying a single pie for wear and tear parts be it brake pads,discs or whatever.

A final verdict is going to be decided tomorrow only after the maruti engineer ascertains, even if i have to go to consumer court i am game.
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Sorry to hear about your troubles.My father in law's carefully driven Swift Vdi 2007 (14,400 km) has a difficulty in engaging the reverse gear.Showed the problem to Maruthi Authorised After Sales Service.But they are saying that

"Sir this problem is there for almost all Swifts, so live with it since it is not a major problem!".

But our Vdi (2008 - 13000km) is running well except for the rattles,which has been solved after repeated efforts.Dont know whether Maruthi will make this gear shift problem another inbuilt feature like the rattles.
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humyum - have you considered reaching out someone really at the top of Maruti/Suzuki Corporation and pointing out this thread ? Maybe someone here will have the e-mail id of the higher ups.

I searched on the Maruti/Suzuki websites but did not find anything. Some companies ( ford being an example ) have the the direct contact info of the GM and you can write to him.

Ask them that you need a replacement car, you definitely cannot continue with this one.

I'm getting scared now having booked a VDI.
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humyum, hey i thought things are all well now on your diesel swift, seems things have gone worst day by day and surely yes waiting to hear what the maruti engineers sorts the problem in your car?Keep updating.
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