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Old 16th July 2009, 18:10   #46
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Yes a little more than budget, but part replacements cost me. And the spare prices (except for that black strip) were not exhorbitant. Also my standing there helped as they did their job well.
Well at Rs. 90 for a clip and 11K for rotors is not less by any means. Also Rs. 450 for a lamp (I believe they replaced a fused bulb and not the assembly) is quite expensive. Also 1350 for a plastic cladding cover is too much.

Seeing your car made me want for a Fusion, but with the current sales i seldom feel if the prices will come down.
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Old 16th July 2009, 18:27   #47
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Well at Rs. 90 for a clip and 11K for rotors is not less by any means. Also Rs. 450 for a lamp (I believe they replaced a fused bulb and not the assembly) is quite expensive. Also 1350 for a plastic cladding cover is too much.
While I have to agree with you and would have loved it if prices were lower, you have to pay a price once you have taken a decision and I am not regretting it by any means. It has more than lived up to what I have paid for it and is a solid car by all means.

90 for a clip: How much does it add to the entire scheme of things? My one way commute to office costs more in fuel?

11K for rotors: haven't replaced it as yet so I don't know. When I actually do, I will post. These guys are pretty shoot-off-the-hip kinds when it comes to estimate pricing. As you can see for the cladding itself. Ranged from 600-2000!

450 for the stop bulb: This is the high mounted stop lamp and is a wedge shaped bulb. Since it is meant to last a lot more start stop cycles, it costs more. Headlamps and others are much cheaper and near market rates. Not sure if you get it in the open market. Next time it fuses (which seems rare), I will look for one. See attachment for the bulb shape.

1350 for Cladding: Yes I agree this is exorbitant! And yes, it is imported.

1600 for Brake Pads: how is this? Not sure how much it costs on other brands, but pads for my Pulsar cost about 180 and the bike costs about a tenth of the car, so reasonable I suppose.

I also replaced the clutch master cylinder during a trip to Mangalore. Cost 1600 odd (excl. labour and fluids). How does this match up with the rest? It was an imported part (from Europe) and completely made of plastic. Lasted 46,000 odd km before showing its age. Read post later for details.

Ford has pretty much brought its prices in level with competition for their popular cars: Ikon & Fiesta. Fusion is exclusive so tends to cost more. In fact, Ikon parts are much lower than D'zire parts.

But many parts on the Fusion are shared with the Fiesta so those parts are reasonable.

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Seeing your car made me want for a Fusion, but with the current sales i seldom feel if the prices will come down.
Well you still can! Forget MRPs. Negotiate hard and discounts are a plenty. You can land one (on road) much lower than a similarly spec'd i20, forget the Jazz!

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Wow, what a report, Glifford, it not only takes some effort / pain to stand near the car during the service but also takes some effort to key in all the details for the benefit of the fellow members. Thanks for your effort and it certainly helps in knowing how these guys work in the service centres.
Thanks Balaji! As mentioned, I had originally posted them on the Ford Fusion Group (you can join there if you are interested in the car. Ask a lot of questions and get your doubts clarified). I had to slightly reformat them for this forum.

If you have the patience and I the time, I have some more posts to make in the next couple of days.
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450 for the stop bulb: This is the high mounted stop lamp and is a wedge shaped bulb. Since it is meant to last a lot more start stop cycles, it costs more. Headlamps and others are much cheaper and near market rates. Not sure if you get it in the open market. Next time it fuses (which seems rare), I will look for one. See attachment for the bulb shape.

Rs.450 . Are you sure nothing else is touched? I had the same problem on my Fusion (old model) and the Ford service center replaced the bulb for Rs. 20. The bill is still with me and I just verified it.
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Rs.450 . Are you sure nothing else is touched? I had the same problem on my Fusion (old model) and the Ford service center replaced the bulb for Rs. 20. The bill is still with me and I just verified it.
Which bulb? The central high mounted one above rear windscreen on the tail gate (which also has the washer jets)? Or the side ones on the Christmas Tree tail lamps.

I have verified this price (for this bulb) on the Fusion group and it costs the same.

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Which bulb? The central high mounted one above rear windscreen on the tail gate (which also has the washer jets)? Or the side ones on the Christmas Tree tail lamps.
I changed the bulb in central mounted one, that houses the washer jet.
I normally dump all my car bills in my office bag, and as I mentioned i had checked it. Its only Rs.20. BTW, dont you think that Rs.450 is just too much for a normal local made bulb?
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I changed the bulb in central mounted one, that houses the washer jet.
I normally dump all my car bills in my office bag, and as I mentioned i had checked it. Its only Rs.20. BTW, dont you think that Rs.450 is just too much for a normal local made bulb?
Yes, it sure is ! Next time I will take the bulb to a local auto shop (JC Road?) and ask for it. I thought this wedge shaped lamp was "special" and not normally available!
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Sorry Glifford, please dont think i am rubbing more salt in it, by any chance, did the dealer changed the whole wedge shaped stop lamp or did they replace only the bulb?
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. Get the bulb ,20 -30 rs from JC road , unscrew the panel ,replace it ,whats the fuss ? .Why did you take it there even in the first place .? .Thats day light robbery and you obliged .your fault .You could have done it in 30 minutes or 3 hours ,depends how much you like the car/DIY .

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Sorry Glifford, please dont think i am rubbing more salt in it, by any chance, did the dealer changed the whole wedge shaped stop lamp or did they replace only the bulb?
Now wounds anymore! So rubbing salt will not burn

The dealer mechanic just changed the bulb (and it is called wedge shaped stop lamp, because of the shape of the connectors, it is not a conventional screw-in bulb). Not the red plastic cover or housing.

Point being, as a prospective buyer. Some parts are expensive, some are not (and can be pretty cheap). You need to be prepared for that. In exchange you get a great car that is different and always catches eyes. A great handler and amazing fun to drive. Something that lasts long and generally trouble free.

You cannot really compare part prices to hatches. Compare it with C segment sedans and you will be comfortable. It is just a matter of setting your expectations right from the start!
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......Point being, as a prospective buyer. Some parts are expensive, some are not (and can be pretty cheap). You need to be prepared for that.....
Agree with that This is exactly why i would like you to share your service experience and you did that to a greater extent. Thanks for that. As black said, most of the cosmetic things can be DIY category and could be done easily (sometimes in a hard way) and get things sorted out. I am getting myself mentally prepared for that. Between, if a diesel Ford Fusion+ is up for sale, do let me know
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. Get the bulb ,20 -30 rs from JC road , unscrew the panel ,replace it ,whats the fuss ? .Why did you take it there even in the first place .? .Thats day light robbery and you obliged .your fault .
Couple of things here:

1. I didn't take it for a bulb replacement. In fact I hadn't even noticed it was fused. The last time I checked (some days before) it was working fine.

2. I had taken it for a routine service (first under my ownership) and it needed several things including oil change, hand brake tightening and several small niggling things. It was then they pointed it out to me (did they cheat me?) when doing a routine check of all stuff on the car. And I agreed to get it replaced. I still have the fused bulb and it looks cool, like a capsule.

3. You don't unscrew the panel! It is a snap fit with clamps from inside. Accessible from under two rubber grommets inside the tailgate when open. If I had to try it myself, it would have taken some effort and I may have ended up chipping it had I taken it out the wrong way.

4. Now I know how to do it. Next time I will do it myself.

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You could have done it in 30 minutes or 3 hours ,depends how much you like the car/DIY .
Well that you should tell. I will tell you what all I have done on the car myself in the past 6 months:

1. Change the after market Kenwood (Cassette player) stereo HU and revert it back to the Original OE (Sanyo?) CD player. (The previous owner had changed it, but very kindly gave me the original OE stereo with the car). Did this all by myself including removal (first figuring out how to), rewiring the connectors and fitting the original back and securing it the way it should have been in the first place. I like the way the OE stereo button backlights are integrated with the car lights and hated the way the dealers had fitted the Kenwood stereo, cutting original wires and not securing the HU well enough. (Ford claims warranty loss if you cut wires when fixing a stereo, surprisingly this was done by (now nonexistant) Cauvery Ford themselves).

2. Tyre rotation in the X pattern on all alloys using one jack and one (unused) steel spare. Involved 6 tyre changes in all and took two hours (including a walk to the local tyre shop for a spare spanner as the OE one wore out). Did it all by myself and was fun. Everyone I told that I did it, thought I was crazy.

3. Freeing up a jammed rear seat (60%) back lock and releasing the seatbelts from behind. It also meant I snapped the lug from cover of the latch and had to fix it back with Araldite and metal supports. (Not visible from outside).

4. (Pending): Fixing the rear left jack mounting point cover on the cladding as I cracked one lug climbing a (wayward highway) stone on way to Mangalore (in Shiradi). Will fix it with Araldite and secure it with aluminium supports.

5. Washing, vacuuming and waxing my car is always done by me. Never get the building watchman or anyone else to do it. (This does not include professional washes during service).

6. Repairing the windshield washer container cap that had cracked and spares (Common to Fiesta) are not readily available when I last checked (must have come now). Secured it with a plastic sheet from underneath and Araldite-d it.

Now do I qualify for a bulb change?

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Whooah, Glifford, post your experience of changing the stereo in DIY section with pictures if possible. You have lot of patience and care to your car
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Whooah, Glifford, post your experience of changing the stereo in DIY section with pictures if possible. You have lot of patience and care to your car
Thanks! Will do. I have some shots of the procedure.

Only doubt is whether it will come in this section or the ICE section
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Excellent write-up, Glifford! The way you summed up the service experience and your expectations was priceless.

As for what you've mentioned about the spare part prices, i totally agree!
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Nice , DIY Junkie , was just checking . now confirmed . . But some times this things happen and ppl do force things to do or buy that we dont require .

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