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Old 2nd September 2009, 17:27   #16
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Like you said the engine temp gauge stays a little shy of the 1/2 way mark in normal drivings.

Didn't use the a/c while going up the ghats . The bull really struggled (just my wife and me with little luggage ) in the hills and i was on 1-2 gears for most of the 16 km climb.

How do i get a compression test done ?

When the engine temp is at 1/4, as soon as the AC is switched on it goes upto a little shy of the 1/2 way mark in a few mins at max . Is this normal ? does the a/c put such a load on the engine ? The rpm at idle goes from .8 to 1.2-1.3 (*1000) when the ac is switched on
The AC usually impacts the temperature in the way you are seeing except I dont think it needs to be revving at 1.2-1.3 and about 1.0 is enough!



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@CP, congrats.135 with the TCIC engine ? There's a mistake somewhere here. That TCIC engine is rated to go only 125 even when mounted in the lighter-by-300-kg Sumo (at full payload). At 2150kg + 300kg load, you would not be able to touch 135.

Get an engine flush done next time you change oil.
135 is possible on the TCIC though personally I have not lived long enough to reach it . But a friend of mine who took it on the A'bad- Baroda expressway reached 135 on it. Am assuming he had already reached Baroda by the time it got there!!

Would suggest trying System-D to the fuel (though Speedway@Chennai has supposedly better products) and getting your Catalytic converter cleaned. Also at a TASS ask for BG107.

Have a similar model and sure would love to follow your experience!

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Folks,
Need some advice on engine oil change for the beast, did the oil change a month back at my friendly mech. workshop , i told him Castrol gtx . He is a Sumo/Safari..tata specialist. He swears by Quartz4x4 and has put the same. The oil pressure indicator at a cold start and slow drive shows 1/2 or a little more , sometimes after long sustained high speed drives (with temp guage almost at 1/2) the oil pressure is at a little more than 1/4 position.

Is this normal or is the oil running thin? i asked the mech . he said that it was fine and may be due to a faulty pressure sensor.

Not comfortable with Quartz .Should i change to Mobil 1 Delvac MX or Castrol GTX ?
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Need some advice on engine oil change for the beast, did the oil change a month back at my friendly mech. workshop , i told him Castrol gtx . He is a Sumo/Safari..tata specialist. He swears by Quartz4x4 and has put the same. The oil pressure indicator at a cold start and slow drive shows 1/2 or a little more , sometimes after long sustained high speed drives (with temp guage almost at 1/2) the oil pressure is at a little more than 1/4 position.

Is this normal or is the oil running thin? i asked the mech . he said that it was fine and may be due to a faulty pressure sensor.

Not comfortable with Quartz .Should i change to Mobil 1 Delvac MX or Castrol GTX ?
Are you sure the oil was changed in front of your eyes/the mech is trustworthy??
Check the engine oil for its viscosity and state on your own or with a different mech/TASS.
You could also have the sensor checked at a TASS close to you for further info on the issue.
Lets see what results and then move forward.
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Are you sure the oil was changed in front of your eyes/the mech is trustworthy??
Check the engine oil for its viscosity and state on your own or with a different mech/TASS.
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The oil change was not done in my presence , no reason to believe he would cheat me . Just checked the oil today morning when the engine was warm after a short trip.. the oil was pretty viscos , it was dark grey/black and was slightly gritty to touch .. is this normal ?

Will swing by TASS and have them look at the oil and the sensor this week-end . Thanks.
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Folks,

btw, Just wanted to thank you all for encouragements & support in welcoming me to the safari club.. Went for the bull with my heart and has not been disappointed either by the car or by the fine folks in this forum . now i don't " ride to work " but "work to ride" the beast (The Jazz folks must have learnt it from us )
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Need some advice on engine oil change for the beast, did the oil change a month back at my friendly mech. workshop , i told him Castrol gtx . He is a Sumo/Safari..tata specialist. He swears by Quartz4x4 and has put the same. The oil pressure indicator at a cold start and slow drive shows 1/2 or a little more , sometimes after long sustained high speed drives (with temp guage almost at 1/2) the oil pressure is at a little more than 1/4 position.

Is this normal or is the oil running thin? i asked the mech . he said that it was fine and may be due to a faulty pressure sensor.

Not comfortable with Quartz .Should i change to Mobil 1 Delvac MX or Castrol GTX ?
Its fairly normal for pressure to be higher when engine is cold and it goes down as the engine warms up so nothing much to be worried about. There doesnt seem to be a faulty pressure sensor here so dont worry!
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The additional lights were fitted on the lower bar of the bull guard in front of the number plate so as to not effect the airflow to the radiator. Like you said the engine temp gauge stays a little shy of the 1/2 way mark in normal drivings.

NORMAL

Didn't use the a/c while going up the ghats . The bull really struggled (just my wife and me with little luggage ) in the hills and i was on 1-2 gears for most of the 16 km climb.

EXECTED IN TCIC YOU CAN BE IN 2ND OR 3RD GEAR IN A DICOR. IN TCIC 1ST OR 2ND IS EXPECTED

How do i get a compression test done ?

TRY OTHER STUFF FIRST

When the engine temp is at 1/4, as soon as the AC is switched on it goes upto a little shy of the 1/2 way mark in a few mins at max . Is this normal ? does the a/c put such a load on the engine ? The rpm at idle goes from .8 to 1.2-1.3 (*1000) when the ac is switched on
NORMAL, FULL AC WOULD PUT YOU BANG ON HALF WAY IN HOT CONDITIONS

IDLE RPM 900 TO 1000, WITH AC 1100 TO 1200 IDLING
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Need some advice on engine oil change for the beast, did the oil change a month back at my friendly mech. workshop , i told him Castrol gtx . He is a Sumo/Safari..tata specialist. He swears by Quartz4x4 and has put the same. The oil pressure indicator at a cold start and slow drive shows 1/2 or a little more , sometimes after long sustained high speed drives (with temp guage almost at 1/2) the oil pressure is at a little more than 1/4 position.

Is this normal or is the oil running thin? i asked the mech . he said that it was fine and may be due to a faulty pressure sensor.

Not comfortable with Quartz .Should i change to Mobil 1 Delvac MX or Castrol GTX ?
BEST OPTION FOR TCIC IS CASTROL RX SUPER PLUS 15 W 40
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Hi cyberpetrol,
Congratulations for your purchase.Most Safari owners in this forum have decided with their heart over their minds.I understand your urge, you have bought a TCIC Safari due to your home loan.I feel the same as i too have a home loan to cater too and am also on a look out for a Well Maintained Safari in Kolkata but am still to get one.I guess the price you paid is a little above but used car prices may be definitely more in Bangalore.Congrats once again.

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Bought a 2004 TCIC bull for 3.45L (after multiple negotiations) as my second vehicle.

Post purchase expenses.

1. Clutch replacement - 12-13K
2. Front 2 tyres replaced - 12K (Bridgestone Duelers Stock - 235/75/15 H/T)
3. Bull guard and lights - 9K
4. Headlamps (L&R)- 6K
5. Mats and other oddities(CAT,Silencer cleaning , Engine flush etc, changing the beadings etc ) 5-6K
6. Wifey shouting at me (and the subsequent headaches) for spending so much time in the work shop in the weekends - Priceless

Some ICE and Alloys in the pipeline - Waiting for Vitamin M allocation from Home minister.


Reclaiming my life !!! .

First long drive was to my native (Coonoor - Nilgiris ) , pushed the bull up the Kalatti ghats like a petrol .. big mistake , the engine temp. guage was almost 3/4 up, thought i would stop when it touched the 3/4th mark .
Suddenly lots of green smoke with an acrid burning smell, pulled the bull over to the sholder, the incline was too steep, the Hand brake was not holding. Had to ask wifely to stomp on the brake while i propped large stones on both tyres.

The coolent was boiling, it had forced the hose & cap off, waited for 15-20 mins for it to cool down (The cool air helped as well ) , the expansion resovoir was empty , filled it to the max with drinking water (RO'ed)

Drove upto ooty (with a worried look at the temp gauge), got 2 litres of coolent and topped it twice.

2nd trip was to Tirupati .. touched 135kmph (with 4 adults, kid and luggage )

3rd trip to Chennai - Was taking a legal u turn at 2 kmph , a pulsar hit the rear tyre at around 60-70 kmph and exploded, his mudguard, visor and everything went up the air.. He rider was safe, the Safari carried a small dent behind the the rear door as part of the accident

While passing Ambur on route to chennai , i went up a flyover ramp at about 70-75 kmph , didnt judge the road curve, i was in the wrong speed & gear at the wrong place... braked slowly ... the tyres sqealed and i felt the vehicle would topple over .. wife and the rest of the team inside screamed . I was busy praying .

My cousin who was with me (he drives a scorpio crde) was sure that we would have toppled if it was a scorpio .. not scorpio bashig or anything.. just stating what he said

numerous 50-100 km uneventful shuttles

I use it daily in city traffic , absolutely loving it , vehicle very sluggesh till the turbo kicks in, drag races from signal stops are fun with other petrol vehicles who underestemate the power of this podorus beast ... the bull often does the vanishing act behind a thick black smoke screen

Signing off for now !! will post some pics soon
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can understand your feeling. you made a decision against most of your friends and people know you by buying a safari that too TCTC, now worried about those horrible stories they told you.

Man those are just perceptions or myths. most of the safari owners i know are repeat buyers. i happened to meet my old customer (life insurance) who currently owns his third consecutive Safari.

Stop worrying and enjoy your new acquired and long dreamed "THE BULL" and give us a nice picture..
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Posting off-topic here , saw this strange contraption(cell jammer ?? - 4 arials and 2 receivers ??) on a state gov.Safari today morning on St. Marks road .
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Hi cyberpetrol,
Congratulations for your purchase.Most Safari owners in this forum have decided with their heart over their minds.I understand your urge, you have bought a TCIC Safari due to your home loan.I feel the same as i too have a home loan to cater too and am also on a look out for a Well Maintained Safari in Kolkata but am still to get one.I guess the price you paid is a little above but used car prices may be definitely more in Bangalore.Congrats once again.
Thanks, sbhaduri . Bangalore vehicle prices are def. higher compared to the rest of the metros. The final cost came upto 4+ with the replacements & insurance.
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Folks, a few photos of my TCIC bull (sorry, low res. cell snaps )
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Hi Cyberpatrol,

Its great to know that you are from Coonoor. I am originally from the same town and also own a 2005 TCIC 2WD. I'm loving it.

To tell you how well it goes, I have done the Droog (Past Nonsuch Tea Factory) road right up to the base of the fort! I have heard only Gypsy's and Mahindra 4x4 jeeps have made it up there so far! Yes, the other passengers had to get off and walk at the very steep points, but it make it up.

I also have done Manali and Rohtang Pass in April 2009. Its got 75K on the odo and still drives like a charm.

Niggles and a few occassional electrical issues withstanding, she hasn't had a single breakdown on the road so far. I also must also say that I haven't had a puncture since I bought her 4 years ago.

Your car seems to be well kept, so congrats on the purchase. I understand the feeling you have for it. I have the same. Recently I booked the new Endeavour 4x4AT but my sons have made me promise that i will not sell the Safari ever!!
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Hi Cyberpatrol,

Its great to know that you are from Coonoor. I am originally from the same town and also own a 2005 TCIC 2WD. I'm loving it.

To tell you how well it goes, I have done the Droog (Past Nonsuch Tea Factory) road right up to the base of the fort! I have heard only Gypsy's and Mahindra 4x4 jeeps have made it up there so far! Yes, the other passengers had to get off and walk at the very steep points, but it make it up.

I also have done Manali and Rohtang Pass in April 2009. Its got 75K on the odo and still drives like a charm.

Niggles and a few occassional electrical issues withstanding, she hasn't had a single breakdown on the road so far. I also must also say that I haven't had a puncture since I bought her 4 years ago.

Your car seems to be well kept, so congrats on the purchase. I understand the feeling you have for it. I have the same. Recently I booked the new Endeavour 4x4AT but my sons have made me promise that i will not sell the Safari ever!!
Hi HillBilly,
Going upto the Droog base on a safari 2x2 is really amazing, calling it a road is a misnormer, its a vehicle clutch killer . Have done it lots only on a bike (Yamaha). Nice to know that you are from CNR too !! , Were you at St. Joseph's ? .

You are absolutely right on both counts about the TCIC, its reliable but at the same time loves visiting the mech . Congrats & happy touring on both your cars
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