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Old 27th August 2010, 10:39   #226
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its really sad on the part of the technician to not do his job and then also charge you for the new filter which wasnt fitted.

Moreover, also dangering the life of the engine by doing such a job.

Also happened with my Santro at HMP, the guy didnt screw the fuel filter tightly and the engine oil leaked, got it checked by a local technician who filled engine oil and tightened the fuel filter, no problems since then
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Old 27th August 2010, 10:41   #227
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The strap type is much better. I have seen Udupi dealer using a filter wrench that has a cycle chain instead of the rubber strap. It will destroy the filter every time it is used. My Jeep oil filter got crushed when it was removed to make space for replacing the solenoid switch. I had to get a new oil filter too as a result.
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IIRC, oil specified for m-Hawk engine is 5.5 L, as mentioned by you there was approximately 2 Litres of oil and you drove with this for 2-3 kms, this would not have any detrimental effect. Please keep an eye on the smoke and oil consumption and you would be fine.
6 litres as specified in the owner's manual.

I'm just praying it doesn't have a detrimental effect!
Spike, you think getting a compression test done would be worth it?
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...Santro at HMP, the guy didnt screw the fuel filter tightly and the engine oil leaked, ...
In my case there was no leak soon after the filter was changed - I make it a point to let the engine idle and rev it some, to check for such leaks every time oil & filter are changed. Even last Sunday, the oil level was ok. My presumption is that the skin of the filter was weak where it was dented, developed a crack, and subsequently turned into a bigger leak with the pressure of the oil behind it.
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...a filter wrench that has a cycle chain instead of the rubber strap. It will destroy the filter every time it is used.
Easiest way to remove a filter AND destroy it is to punch a screwdriver through and through, and use it as a handle to unscrew the filter. There's not enough space IMO inside the Scorpio engine to turn the strap type tool with enough leverage - what Spike described first would work better.
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6 litres as specified in the owner's manual.

I'm just praying it doesn't have a detrimental effect!
Spike, you think getting a compression test done would be worth it?
Oh it is 6L? Thanks for the correction!

I don't see any need for a compression test. What did the service guys tell you? If you have the faintest of doubts you can go ahead with the check, just for your peace of mind. Finally, it is your car.

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Old 27th August 2010, 14:20   #230
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Easiest way to remove a filter AND destroy it is to punch a screwdriver through and through, and use it as a handle to unscrew the filter.
Update: 2-1/2 hours of struggle, a bent strap-type filter tool courtesy trying to turn it with a pipe (that I had to loan them) and a lot of sweat later, the mechs had to borrow a large screwdriver from me, and carry out the above procedure. The cartridge looks like it's been machine-gunned! See, Sharath, I told you that's the easiest way to remove a filter!! Enjoy this morning's action from the war zone.
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And then the mech refitted the new cartridge onto its mount without checking for the O-ring (the one below the metal block on which the cartridge seats), which happened to have been damaged during the war. Started the car and it promptly dumped over half the oil into the drain. Why? Because the mech wasn't keeping an eye out for leaks, and by the time I'd gotten off the driver's seat and looked, the (oil)cloudburst had already happened.

So the mechs have taken off for lunch, but not before they filled air in a flat tyre on their Logan service vehicle - with my foot pump loaned to them. I'm waiting for another specimen who's being dispatched from the service centre, with a fresh o-ring and oil.

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I don't see any need for a compression test. What did the service guys tell you? If you have the faintest of doubts you can go ahead with the check, just for your peace of mind.
What did the service guys tell me, Spike? What I've said above is all they told me! In all these years, I've never come across such Olympian incompetence! I suspect they'll stick a compression meter up the tailpipe and ask me to start the car...
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And then the mech refitted the new cartridge onto its mount without checking for the O-ring (the one below the metal block on which the cartridge seats), which happened to have been damaged during the war. Started the car and it promptly dumped over half the oil into the drain. Why? Because the mech wasn't keeping an eye out for leaks, and by the time I'd gotten off the driver's seat and looked, the (oil)cloudburst had already happened.
Gosh, I can't believe my eyes. Is this happening in an authorized dealership? Why is oil filter being changed in roadside?

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Old 27th August 2010, 14:47   #232
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Why is oil filter being changed in roadside?
Because this is the Army (of Incompetents) and in any case, haven't you heard of Army doctors performing major surgeries in a tent, in the middle of a jungle/desert? War zone it is!

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Because this is the Army (of Incompetents) and in any case, haven't you heard of Army doctors performing major surgeries in a tent, in the middle of a jungle/desert? War zone it is!
OT : To lighten the mood

A mechanic was removing the cylinder heads from the motor of a car when he spotted the famous heart surgeon in his shop, who was standing off to the side, waiting for the service manager to come to take a look at his car. The mechanic shouted across the garage,"Hello Doctor! Please come over here for a minute." The famous surgeon, a bit surprised, walked over to the mechanic. The mechanic straightened up, wiped his hands on a rag and asked argumentatively, "So doctor, look at this. I also open hearts,take valves out, grind 'em, put in new parts, and when I finish this will work as a new one. So how come you get the big money, when you and me is doing basically the same work? "

The doctor leaned over and whispered to the mechanic..... "TRY TO DO IT WHEN THE ENGINE IS RUNNING "

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"TRY TO DO IT WHEN THE ENGINE IS RUNNING "
LOL, thanks, I needed a bit of mood lightening. Finally someone called Manoj from the workshop turned up. He knew what he was doing, clean and competent. Guy's been trained at Nashik & Nagpur, and he seemed to know Spike (@Spike: the name rings any bells?). No more leaks, all the oil replaced with 6L Mahindra Maximile. No charges either. Will pay a visit to the service centre tomorrow for a cleanup.

And if I was the mechanic, I'd have told the good surgeon: "TRY TO DO IT NEXT TO AN OPEN DRAIN AND SEE IF THE ENGINE KEEPS RUNNING!"
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good to see that the problem is solved, any testing etc done after that ? I guess they havent done compression test.
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Finally someone called Manoj from the workshop turned up. He knew what he was doing, clean and competent. Guy's been trained at Nashik & Nagpur, and he seemed to know Spike (@Spike: the name rings any bells?).
No way! Luckily people inside the company don't know about T-BHP, leave alone Spike.
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good to see that the problem is solved, any testing etc done after that ? I guess they havent done compression test.
Tomorrow I'll do my own checks and tests before I turn up at the workshop (so long as it doesn't rain). I'm a bit sceptical right now about the compression test, and would like to wait and watch for other signs as Spike said.
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No way! Luckily people inside the company don't know about T-BHP, leave alone Spike.
LOL - the true enthusiast!

Thanks a ton however, for the support and advice. Will keep badgering you about anything else if it comes up.

Edit: Oh, and BTW, Spike, that cap-type oil filter tool you described - the mechs say it doesn't fit - there's not enough space they say, to turn it. Obviously you didn't train them!

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Thanks a ton however, for the support and advice. Will keep badgering you about anything else if it comes up.

Edit: Oh, and BTW, Spike, that cap-type oil filter tool you described - the mechs say it doesn't fit - there's not enough space they say, to turn it. Obviously you didn't train them!
Always at your service Sir . I have seen another type of tool made for oil filter removal, will post if I get any info regarding that.

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I have seen another type of tool made for oil filter removal, will post if I get any info regarding that.
Better still, PM me on how to procure it from you, and I'll happily buy it to add to my tools stock! Looks like I'm in for lousy workmanship from the A.S.S. anyway. Maybe using my own tools will make for a better job (so long as someone there doesn't pinch it ).
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No need to do compression test.
Even a minor leak will show up as something.
99% of cases you will get some service light or error code.
An 1%, you will not get any obvious warning, but something small, like erratic idle after revving.
Fluctuating rpm needle.
Also look out for smoke color. If it goes blue, problems!
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