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Old 22nd March 2011, 12:51   #196
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Default Why you shouldn't use Premium Diesel!

This might be a little late in the day this is what I gathered over the last 2 years of owning a CRDI vehicle from M&M service guys

One shouldn't use premium diesel on a CRDI/PD engine has the premium diesels have corrosive agents to clean the carbon in the system. These corrosive agents once in a while is ok, but on regular usage will lead to enlargement of the nozzle. Given that most CRDI engines work at 1200 bar or above, a slight change in the nozzle dia will affect the line pressure significantly leading to non - optimal performance.

Another aspect that comes into play is the engine oil. Diesel engines generate a lot of carbon which is not good for the engine unlike in a petrol where some amount of carbon in the system is good. Since the latest diesel engine oils (SJ Grade IIRC) have better carbon removal capacity premium diesels become redundant on CRDI/PD engine while they work decently in IDI/DI engines.

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This might be a little late in the day this is what I gathered over the last 2 years of owning a CRDI vehicle from M&M service guys

One shouldn't use premium diesel on a CRDI/PD engine has the premium diesels have corrosive agents to clean the carbon in the system. These corrosive agents once in a while is ok, but on regular usage will lead to enlargement of the nozzle. Given that most CRDI engines work at 1200 bar or above, a slight change in the nozzle dia will affect the line pressure significantly leading to non - optimal performance.

Another aspect that comes into play is the engine oil. Diesel engines generate a lot of carbon which is not good for the engine unlike in a petrol where some amount of carbon in the system is good. Since the latest diesel engine oils (SJ Grade IIRC) have better carbon removal capacity premium diesels become redundant on CRDI/PD engine while they work decently in IDI/DI engines.

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Hi Dada, Nice piece of info to add to the earlier trove of info on Premium Vs Non Premium Diesel debate. Especially the additional point on engine oil. And it's never too late to add gyan.
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Last to last weekend, during my trip to Vizag and Araku, I was exposed to the T-Fort for about 3 days right from donning the wheels to sitting on the 3rd row for 3-4 hours at a stretch.

The things that I liked:
  1. Driver seating even though without height adjustment, allowed me to see the front of the bonnet.
  2. Gear Shifter. I liked the long handle and position almost felt like a rally car for quick shifting.
  3. A/C. What can I say. Its very good and chills even in afternoon.
  4. Push pull facility for all seats. Even the reclining feature on all seats is great.
  5. The power!

The things I didn't like:
  1. Engine noise in the cabin
  2. Absence of speakers for the last row, thereby making it impossible for the last passenger to enjoy any kind of music.
  3. Brakes. They just didn't inspire confidence.
  4. Headlamps. On the NH-5, even the high beam was insufficient. The headlamp leveler was utterly useless in this situation.

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Last to last weekend, during my trip to Vizag and Araku, I was exposed to the T-Fort for about 3 days right from donning the wheels to sitting on the 3rd row for 3-4 hours at a stretch.

The things that I liked:
  1. Driver seating even though without height adjustment, allowed me to see the front of the bonnet.
  2. Gear Shifter. I liked the long handle and position almost felt like a rally car for quick shifting.
  3. A/C. What can I say. Its very good and chills even in afternoon.
  4. Push pull facility for all seats. Even the reclining feature on all seats is great.
  5. The power!
The things I didn't like:
  1. Engine noise in the cabin
  2. Absence of speakers for the last row, thereby making it impossible for the last passenger to enjoy any kind of music.
  3. Brakes. They just didn't inspire confidence.
  4. Headlamps. On the NH-5, even the high beam was insufficient. The headlamp leveler was utterly useless in this situation.
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Hi Dada,
Nice brief.
About the engine noise:
1. In the Admiral, I find the engine noise in the cabin reducing with every KM it runs. In fact it is much lower than the day I got it. How old was the TFort you experimented with ? Secondly what I've observed is that the least noise is around : 5th Gear - 100 KMPH - 2K RPM. Anything below that or beyond 120 KMP in the same gear increases the crescendo !

2. Last row is truly cattle class ! Infact in the second row as well when belting at 140/150 KMPH the offspring piped up once to say that he just couldn't hear any music from the system. Just his aural observation - not that he has any appreciation for the kind of music I play. And it wasn't as if the there was a feeling in the cabin that we were running at that speed. Just that the slighty higher than normal noise from the engine but the tyre hum was rather high.

3. I am not sure why - but I seem to love these brakes ! May be after the Scorpio's rock and roll on braking and the relatively drama free braking on the TFort could be leading to my perception. But for me it has worked and worked well (touchwood !). What does appear to me is the style is soft unlike the sharp braking of the LoH's Alto K10. If that is the comparision - may be. But then such a behemoth, with its characteristic bulk and momentum, would react rather differently with hard and sharp braking is what I can gather leading to all kind of other stresses ? Not sure, but just a hypothesis. But even in crunch situations it does brake. So an issue of getting used to it perhaps ?

4. Head light - Low beam. Yup a real pain. OK on the high beam I thought. But then again, my perceptions have been molded/moulded by the Scorp where the stock high beam was equivalent to a bhoot bungalow's old Khadim's dying torch !

Trading the Getaway for the T Fort shortly Dada ?!!
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Digital Tyre Inflator - Auto Fans and Office Fans Manufacturer and Exporter | Link Image Makers India Private Limited, Pune



Costed me about 2 years ago about 2.5 K INR. Worth every paise spent on it. Rather accurate and robust (touch wood !).
If you dont mind my asking, how long does it take to inflate the tire by say 4-6 PSI (typical top-up) with that device?

I would like to buy one too, but the reviews I have read on the net talk of some devices taking a really long time, and some even bouncing about on the floor due to the compressor action. Having said that, those were probably products from our great neighbor to the East
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Hi Dada,
Nice brief.
About the engine noise:
1. In the Admiral, I find the engine noise in the cabin reducing with every KM it runs. In fact it is much lower than the day I got it. How old was the TFort you experimented with ? Secondly what I've observed is that the least noise is around : 5th Gear - 100 KMPH - 2K RPM. Anything below that or beyond 120 KMP in the same gear increases the crescendo !

2. Last row is truly cattle class ! Infact in the second row as well when belting at 140/150 KMPH the offspring piped up once to say that he just couldn't hear any music from the system. Just his aural observation - not that he has any appreciation for the kind of music I play. And it wasn't as if the there was a feeling in the cabin that we were running at that speed. Just that the slighty higher than normal noise from the engine but the tyre hum was rather high.

3. I am not sure why - but I seem to love these brakes ! May be after the Scorpio's rock and roll on braking and the relatively drama free braking on the TFort could be leading to my perception. But for me it has worked and worked well (touchwood !). What does appear to me is the style is soft unlike the sharp braking of the LoH's Alto K10. If that is the comparision - may be. But then such a behemoth, with its characteristic bulk and momentum, would react rather differently with hard and sharp braking is what I can gather leading to all kind of other stresses ? Not sure, but just a hypothesis. But even in crunch situations it does brake. So an issue of getting used to it perhaps ?

4. Head light - Low beam. Yup a real pain. OK on the high beam I thought. But then again, my perceptions have been molded/moulded by the Scorp where the stock high beam was equivalent to a bhoot bungalow's old Khadim's dying torch !

Trading the Getaway for the T Fort shortly Dada ?!!
Hail General!! Guten Abend!! erste post aus Ihrem Land.

1. Regarding the Audio system, the stock one's are same in all the machines, except the vehicle of "unsere Führer" die Große S600 usw.

2. headlights, well I know Gen. Heinz Guderian kommt aus dem 1940's. But on the other hand, the new scorpios are equipped with phillips bluevision or some thing which are quite bright and blinding even on low beams.

sayonara Admiral San!
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If you dont mind my asking, how long does it take to inflate the tire by say 4-6 PSI (typical top-up) with that device?

I would like to buy one too, but the reviews I have read on the net talk of some devices taking a really long time, and some even bouncing about on the floor due to the compressor action. Having said that, those were probably products from our great neighbor to the East
Hi, Typical top up for me - I do it weekly or at worst once a fortnight - is 0.5 PSI or max 1.0 PSI. That takes about 10 seconds of compressor run per tyre. Your 4-6 PSI should take about 40 seconds I reckon.
Do you top up the pressure once a month ? Doing it weekly would be rather ideal. And if you indeed are doing a weekly or fortnightly top up loss of 4-6 PSI is too high and may have to check for valve leaks or a puncture if it is a tubeless one. If tubed check the valve.
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Hail General!! Guten Abend!! erste post aus Ihrem Land.

1. Regarding the Audio system, the stock one's are same in all the machines, except the vehicle of "unsere Führer" die Große S600 usw.

2. headlights, well I know Gen. Heinz Guderian kommt aus dem 1940's. But on the other hand, the new scorpios are equipped with phillips bluevision or some thing which are quite bright and blinding even on low beams.

sayonara Admiral San!
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Mein Gott! Sind Sie in Deutschland? Gut.
Frankly those old Scorpio CRDes from 2005 were the real tough war horses. The current MHaHas are all very fragile and tinny according to me.
AK - Have a swell time in Deutschland.
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Hi Manuuj,

And that Sunday rub for your white TFort......Man that looks like some serious shine ! Great going and let's exchange notes sometimes on the Sunday progress.
Is there anything else that you do differently on a Sunday from the list that I had put up ? Would be quite keen to know some additional activities that I could build into my list.
Thanks for the praise ol' fellow! As far as my Sunday activities go they are far less than all that you do and the depths that you explore.

It mostly involves the ipod and Dock, a Bucket, two 24"x12" pieces of chamois Leather, a few 3M cloths that do not scratch or leave swirl marks, Armour All Shampoo Wax, Formula 1 Metallic Polish Creme, Armour All extreme Tyre shine, Armour All Leather Protector and Polish, Tuff Stuff Fabric and Carpet Cleaner, Armour All Exterior Rubber Protector, Eagle One Foam Glass cleaner, Eagle One Nano wax, one Red Bull / several beers and lots of Muscle power!

I start with and Interior Vacuum and cleaning, washing of Rubber mats, and a Leather Polish rubdown for the seats. The Leather Polish leaves the seats feeling silky smooth and supple. I strongly urge you never to apply to the steering wheel which i once did, leading to some scary hair raising circumstances.

The Tuff Stuff Foam is applied to the Carpets and interior beige plastics and has a dry cleaning effect. It restores it to the original color while taking away any unsightly marks.

That done all doors and windows are shut and the Fortuner hosed down with a err..hose so that all the loose dust and any leaves etc are washed away.This should be done in the shade only and never in the direct sun.

This is followed by a shampoo wax mixed in a bucket of warm water that is applied with the 3M cloth that does not scratch the surface and leave a million swirl marks unlike sponges that are horrendous which i found out to my utter dismay a bit too late.

The Shampoo is once again hosed out and the vehicle left to air dry and water allowed to drip away for ten minutes (again in the shade).

The Chamois Cloth that soaks up the water very efficiently is then used one by one..(one is squeezed out by The Man Friday while i use one to dry the car) i always start from the roof, by standing in the rear tyres or side step and work my way down.

Once the car is dry the the Formula 1 Metallic Polish is then applied evenly over each panel one by one and each one is rubbed down before moving to another panel. I use a different 3M cloth for applying the polish and 3-4 cloths to remove the polish for the entire car. This is also applied to the Alloy Wheels of the Fortuner.

The tyres are tackled next with the Armour all Extreme Tyre Shine Gel, followed by the Armour All Rubber Protector for all exterior beadings, the black area between the bonnet and windscreen and outside area of the tyre flaps.

This brings out the black in all the parts and they look like new without the gloss effect that cheaper low quality polishes give.

The Eagle One Nano Wax which is a spray-on (and very good for emergencies) is then lightly applied to the all metal panels once again and gently rubbed down till the mirror effect is achieved.

Lastly the Eagle One Foam Glass cleaner is used on every glass panel including wing mirrors and rear view mirror, windows, windscreen etc with a separate 3M cloth leaving them grime free and super clean without a swirl mark in sight.

Of course everyone is free to use their own products and i am in no way endorsing a particular company or product..but i will say this in all honesty that over the years i have tried various products and have seen the best results with these products above. Just sharing with my fellow Bhpians.

I tend not to touch the engine bay as by this time i am quite dead and craving a good bath and a hearty meal!
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Thanks for the praise ol' fellow! As far as my Sunday activities go they are far less than all that you do and the depths that you explore.
Good Lord ! That is a fantastic weekly Botox and hide rub down for your TFort. Thanks for sharing.

There is no way I'll be able to match that exterior work owing to colony life in Amchi Mumbai - no space, no hoses or ready water connections etc etc and a general disinclination (laziness ?) for the hide gloss !

But then this almost tempts me the drive down to Delhi on a Sunday. What can be done is that I'll do the engine bay and stuff on your TFort and you could do the exteriors on the Admiral !

Incidentally Manuuj - haven't spotted it so this Q - what have you named your TFort ? Shiny, Sparkler, Chamko yaaaaaaaaaa......Glosseee ?

PS: Incidentally it wouldn't be out of place to mention - in the initial days of living in the colony that I reside in currently, I think after observing me a for a couple of Sundays working on my Scorp, a dear ol' man (another resident) shuffled upto me and asked me in crackling good English - "Do you do this for other vehicles also ? My car........" Before he completed the sentence I responded -"No sir, I am a Scorpio specialist and work only on Scorpios."
And coincidentally next day, Monday, when he spotted me driving off in the Scorp to the office, attired in a tie and all - he sure did give me a very funny look !

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Good Lord ! That is a fantastic weekly Botox and hide rub down for your TFort. Thanks for sharing.

But then this almost tempts me the drive down to Delhi on a Sunday. What can be done is that I'll do the engine bay and stuff on your TFort and you could do the exteriors on the Admiral !

Incidentally Manuuj - haven't spotted it so this Q - what have you named your TFort ? Shiny, Sparkler, Chamko yaaaaaaaaaa......Glosseee ?

..look !
You Sir are most welcome! Mi Casa Su Casa! Lets plan something wherein we get both Fortuners nice and dirty first! It would make the task of restoring the sparkle that much more satisfying.

That was a funny anecdote there..wish i could have seen the gentleman's face the next morning! Was it similar to the guard at the dealership?

As far as the name goes i haven't found one yet but use various terms of endearment for my Fortuner. For now its just referred to as "The Fortuner"
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You Sir are most welcome! Mi Casa Su Casa! Lets plan something wherein we get both Fortuners nice and dirty first! It would make the task of restoring the sparkle that much more satisfying.

That was a funny anecdote there..wish i could have seen the gentleman's face the next morning! Was it similar to the guard at the dealership?

As far as the name goes i haven't found one yet but use various terms of endearment for my Fortuner. For now its just referred to as "The Fortuner"
Aye Manuuj, that indeed is a wonderful thought - of getting the TForts real dirty and cleaning them up. And thanks for the invite to su casa and may I most sincerely return the invitation to you, to land up on a Sunday or any day you choose, here at mi casa & Thane as well !

Coming to the ol' man and the guard - I seem to pull these off at regular intervals for quite sometime now. Somehow, for whatever reason, these keep striking me all the time.

Still remember a few months ago when at a Bata showroom in Colaba (and unfortunately (?) wearing a red-ish T), I was generally pottering around, with the LoH picking up a footwear or two to hurl at me later, a lady came upto me showed me a sample footwear and asked me in a shrill voice " Can you help me get a size 6 of these ? "
With everyone in the rather crowded shop and the LoH looking at us I had no option but to respond - "Sure, no problem, as long as you help me get a size 10 of a good pair of formal black shoes......."

Bedlam followed.

Later, needless to say, the LoH squarely boxed me on the ears and was labelled a public embarassment.

On the brighter side, at least it saved me a few weekends of mind numbing shopping runs till the ol' girl woke up to my game and bliss.

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Still remember a few months ago when at a Bata showroom in Colaba (and unfortunately (?) wearing a red-ish T), I was generally pottering around, with the LoH picking up a footwear or two to hurl at me later, a lady came upto me showed me a sample footwear and asked me in a shrill voice " Can you help me get a size 6 of these ? "
With everyone in the rather crowded shop and the LoH looking at us I had no option but to respond - "Sure, no problem, as long as you help me get a size 10 of a good pair of formal black shoes......."
General you are simply too much

You are surely treading on a dangerous path with women.
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You are surely treading on a dangerous path with women.
Hi Amit, What to do, we are like that only !

On a serious note, like Bite the Bullet had mentioned earlier about humour in general, frankly humour has got me out of, as well as put me into many a serious jam. But then that's life - you win some, you loose some.
Especially in my trade.
And so never a dull moment.
And believe you me, I never intended that the Bata Shop episode turn out the way it did - Magar kya karein, control hi nahin hota !

Shhh.......and now back to serious business of the auto world !

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Guderian and Manuuj,

Why don't we all meet up in Nagpur + one national park for an extended weekend? Equidistant for all of us...and we can have some Black + Silver + White photoshoots in the midst of nature.
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