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Old 6th August 2013, 03:01   #376
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I just converted my car to CNG. Now after driving 100 kms the fuel indicator is still showing 1 light and then the reserve light will come.
First 2 lights will go out fast, 3rd will last about 60-70kms, 4th will last you 40-50kms and last light will give you 30-40kms range. So, If you have 2 lights left you will still get 60-80kms. If you are cruising on express way at 80-90kms/hr speed with air conditioning off you will get 30%-50% more mileage then normal.

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I have been reading a lot about various discussions on CNG installation on internet but most of them dealt in parts. I thought of giving all the important information in simple language, in full at one place, so that all the facts about CNG installation and its settings become clear.

First of all understand that most of the CNG fitment centers are manned by uneducated businessman who have no background of auto engineering or any engineering, so do not expect them to educate you with finer details of your queries. Almost all the labourers who install your kits in fitment center are uneducated people who do not even know what they are doing. They just follow what was taught to them by the old or senior staff or learnt by themselves by experience. So, in short I want to say that you have to get educated yourself about the CNG fitment and tuning for peace of mind, else you will be making rounds of the firment center without getting clarifications.

Before you get the CNG kit installed, you should clearly ask about the pricing, type of kits like-open loop kit, closed loop kit or sequential kit, whether bill would be given against payment, whether all parts would be imported, if not then what parts will be Indian and what imported, and whether RTO endorsement is included in the price. Also be clear about the capacity of cylinder being fitted, commonly 12 Kg or 14 Kg.

The best kits are made in Argentina and Poland. Plenty of duplicates are available in India. Also note that after installation of the kit the fitment center will send his person with you to the gas station to fill gas for first time for setting and tuning the kit. There is a racket here also, the staff of fitment center will tell the gas station that the car owner does not have the metal plate that is mandatory for filing gas, and the gas filling staff will fleece you with a higher amount which will be shared by the gas station staff and the fitment center staff. You have to agree for this as you need to fill gas in your tank without metal plate. The metal plate is given free by the Mahanagar gas in Mumbai after the kit is endorsed by RTO on the RC book. But for a month you will get a small paper receipt, which you can show at the gas station while filing the gas.

The average that you get after installation will be 60% more than what you got in petrol in city driving. If car runs 10 Kms in one liter of petrol, it will run 16 Kms in 1 Kg of CNG if the tuning is optimum. If the setting and tuning is properly done then there will not be much power loss and no warning lights blinking. On highway, when driving the car at uniform speed of less than 50 Kms per hour you will get very good mileage, much higher than city driving.

CNG KIT

There are safety taps in the kit to open and close gas supply from cylinder and at filling unit. The CNG kits contains a storage tank connected to a reducer to reduce gas pressure, then to mixer that feeds mixture of gas and air to the injectors. The gas and air mixture is sent to the engine where spark from spark plug burns the gas to generate pressure that moves the piston and gives power/acceleration to the car. In this simple Open Loop kit, the tuning for best performance is done by setting the gas flow, RPM of engine and spark quality. That’s all. If you master these three, you will be able to tune your open loop CNG kit of your car on your own for best performance.

One very important aspect is that never leave your car unattended while the kit is being fitted. You will notice that the CNG fitment centre will try to get rid of you by saying that he will install after few hours after finishing the existing car, etc, etc. The moment you leave the fitment centre you will be taken for a ride. I have observed that the fitment centers do not have trained personal to install the gas tank in the boot. Instead of drilling they use fat nails and hammer the boot floor to make holes. This not only weakens the car floor but also causes harm to your wheel alignment ad other mechanisms. It is as good as impact from an accident…they hammer so badly. This is the reason many people complain that their car floors developed cracks after few months.

When the installation of tank is done, the fitment center never does the centring of the tank. Means that the tank has to be kept in such a way that the weight is distributed equally on both the sides of the center-line of the car. The tank has to be placed in such a way that it does not have more weight on either left or right side, else your car will have varied tyre erosion, and will also effect the suspension, steering system, etc. When you will turn the car in speed you will notice that on one side the car feels different than the other side. This is dangerous.

Those people who had LPG installed before switching to CNG will see plenty of big holes left after removal of LPG tank. The fitment center will not do anything about it. Most of you will not even know that such a hole exists as you were not present when the kit was being installed. If there are such holes then cut an old spoilt tyre tube, bigger than the hole size and dampen it with fevibond, leave it for at least 10 minutes and place it over the hole after cleaning the area. This can be easily done by yourself. If you wish you can get the area welded also. But for that you have to finish the gas and remove the empty tank or get it done before new cylinder is fitted.

HOW TO TUNE THE CNG KIT?

Manual tuning can be done in open loop system. For closed loop and sequential system tuning is done through computer.

You will notice that there is one big screw on the pipe that goes from reducer to mixer. This controls the amount of gas flow. There is another big screw on the reducer, which controls the RPM. These two are to be adjusted to get the best tuning.

First of all place both the screws on full open, means full unscrewed. Then ask someone to turn ignition key while you keep the accelerator on higher side. If the engine does not start, open the gas screw by 3 full turns. If engine does not start again open by 3 turns. Keep doing this till you get the engine going with accelerator pressed. Now release accelerator and keep on opening and closing the gas screw till you get fairly good engine running. Then set the RPM with the screw on the reducer for best idle. For good mileage set the gas to lean by closing the gas screw a little, and for more power set it to rich by opening the gas screw little.

Now switch on the AC. If the engine starts to stall, open the gas screw a little and then increase the RPM a little till you get good and sensitive, responsive acceleration. This will be the best setting if you wish to run your car more on AC.

ENGINE WARNING LIGHT?

There are good chances that you may see flickering engine warning light, or the light may come on and off. This indicates that your sensors are working well but the setting is defective. The defect can be in wiring, the timing advancer or loose spark plug connections. Mostly it is the power booster or timing advancer or oxygen sensor wire. So, check that first.

SEVERE LOSS IN POWER?

Every one wants their CNG car to run similar to petrol. But there is some loss in power always. To get the best power, use NGK spark plugs, keep the spark plug gaps to lower than .9 mm. Lowering the gap of spark plug is as good as advancing the timing. Spark plugs and timing advancer/power booster play a very important role in generating power. If not set up properly, you will not get best power and acceleration. You can slightly increase the gas and increase the RPM to get power, but the milage will suffer, and it is not the best practice. Sometimes using larger gas mixture unit helps. At times cleaning the injectors and exhaust also helps in gaining power if they are clogged.

WHAT IS TIMING ADVANCER?

This is a small unit that controls the spark time of the spark plug in relation to the movement of the piston. As CNG is not as dense as petrol and requires more burning time, it is required that the spark is generated little before when the full compression reaches so that by the time the compression is to its maximum the gas is fully burnt making maximum expansion and pushing the piston with more power. If the spark is not advanced it will not burn the full gas mixture and not generate more power and also leave some gas unburnt and you may see engine malfunction light on your dashboard. The advance timing is denoted as degrees. It really needs good experienced person to set the correct advance timing. Unluckily, most of the CNG kit fitment centers are unaware of the technicalities of advance timing.

In some original imported kits the timing advancer / power booster comes as part of the kit by default, while in some you have to buy as add on by paying extra. It costs between Rs 1, 000 to Rs 2, 500 depending on brand and quality. Cheap Chinese ones are also available.

CLOSED LOOP

When open loop fitment has more control over oxygen sensor and injectors, it is called closed loop. This gives little more milage but costs about Rs 2, 000 to 4, 000 more. This setup controls the flow of gas to the injectors as advised by oxygen sensor and control unit to gain more control, giving power and saving gas to little extent.

SEQUENTIAL

This is a fully controlled system having plenty of sensor controllers ( about 40 to 48 sensors) to control each and every move of engine, gas supply, mixing, etc. Nothing is set manually in this setup. One has to use computers to do the tuning. Once tuned, you have to never touch the settings. Your car will run as good as it was running on petrol with very little power loss. But the cost of this system is twice as that of open loop. The problem with this setup is that in case of any defect you have to visit the specialized fitment center only. Road side mechanics will be of no help. You will not be able to do tuning by yourself unless you have the software, its knowledge, and connectivity of your engine with your laptop to do the settings.

WHICH IS THE BEST FITMENT CENTRE

As I already told you, almost all are no good, even the Lovato authorized center (Eco Fuel Centre) in Thane is also a crook. There are many instances where he did not give bill against cash payment after fitment saying that bill will attract 12 % taxes. They brutally hammer your car for making holes. They never use drills and your car is bound to develop cracks after you use their services. They even try to first place few defective parts by taking a chance that if it works, they will get rid of the defective part and make some money. Their accountant is a corrupt fellow and tries to make money by asking amounts for extension of gas filing receipts if you did not get the metal plate. The gas date extension is done free of cost by Mahanagar gas staff who sits in the Fortune distributors office near Sahanai banquet hall in Thane (West). You have to just show him the expired receipt and he will make new one for you in 5 minutes, free of cost.

Same is the case with almost all fitment centers. The only way you can save your car is to be present and question them if you sense any mischief. The fitment of CNG kit does not take more than 4 hours. Most of the fitment centers will avoid your presence and will make various reasons to make you go away, but you stick there like a leech if you want to save your car from abuse or know what they are actually doing.

HOW MUCH IS THE COST OF FULLY IMPORTED CNG KIT

The cost of open loop is Rs 24, 000 to 27, 000 without RTO work.

The cost of closed loop will be Rs 2, 000 to 4, 000 more

The cost of sequential kit will be between Rs 35, 000 to 50, 000.

RTO endorsement will be Rs 2000. But if you want to get it done by yourself, the fitment center will give you all the documents and you can get it done from RTO for less than Rs 300.

You have to negotiate when deciding about the price. Be clear about tax, invoice, RTO endorsement charges, warranty, etc.

FILLING CNG:

You will receive a metal plate with embossed car registration number and kit details. Sometimes, the CNG filling stations may demand you to show this metal plate before they start filing your tank. So, always be clear that the fitment center will be giving you the metal plate free of cost.

The life of CNG gas cylinder is very good, but the government has made it mandatory to get it rechecked after every 3 years and get fitness certificate from the authorized cylinder checking station. You have to carry this fitness certificate in your car in case it is required to be shown with RC endorsement. But rarely any RTO checks this.
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I have been reading a lot about various discussions on CNG installation on internet but most of them dealt in parts. I thought of giving all the important information in simple language, in full at one place, so that all the facts about CNG installation and its settings become clear.
Hi Arun, very useful information indeed, appreciate for sharing it over here. Do you yourself own/drive a CNG powered car? If yes, then did you face any challenges in your car ownership so far? I believe the factory fitted CNG kits would give real piece of mind & I would prefer only such cars (if ever I think of going for CNG). The long queues on the bunks & the relatively lower touring range of the CNG tankfull & the two biggest dampeners, which are holding me off from venturing into CNG area.
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Hi autoindian,
Yes I own Alto, which is 8 years old. I had LPG now replaced by open loop CNG.
The factory fitted kit is of course very good because it has specially designed rear suspensions to bear the tank load. It has proper gas filling inlet placed in the petrol filling chamber which can be opened in same was as you do for petrol and you will not have hassles of opening bonnet every time you fill gas. The factory fitted gas tank is thinner and leaves enough space to place a parcel tray.
But factory fitted kit is more expensive also..about Rs 80,000. But it is worth if you are ready to shell out that much.
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The factory fitted gas tank is thinner and leaves enough space to place a parcel tray.
Pardon my ignorance, but that is quite a revelation for me. Can you please elaborate how you concluded that the factory fitted gas tanks are thinner.

As far as my experience and understanding goes, the cylinders are pretty much same for the CNG be it wagon R, alto or SX4. However the Wagon R LPG duos do have a space saver cylinder in space of spare wheel well.

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Grr7.
Its commonsense that the actual sheet metal of the tank cannot be thinner else the tank will explode. I am pointing to the breadth of the tank.....that is why when it is laid down in boot in small cars it leaves good space above for parcel tray.
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CNG PUMPS IN MUMBAI AND AROUND

Charni road to Mahalaxmi

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
1
R.T.O., Tardeo
30932893
2
Taj Automobiles, Mumbai Central (NGV Nozzle)
23092025 / 23084015
3
Modern Auto, Mumbai Central (NGV Nozzle)
23077783 / 23719929
4
Tardeo Service Station, Tardeo (NGV Nozzle)
24980739 / 24920609
5
Modern Service Station, Grant Road
23078205 / 23051307
6
New Bharat Automobiles, Jacob Circle (NGV Nozzle)
23050586 / 23072352
7
Kausar Auto Services, Agripada (NGV Nozzle)
23081782/ 23091926
8
M T A, Mahalaxmi (NGV Nozzle)
24941003
9
Mumbai Central Depot,Mumbai Central (Captive)




Lower Parel to Dadar

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
10
Sonal Super, Delisle Road (NGV Nozzle)
23051458 / 23070159
11
Worliway Service Station, Worli Naka (NGV Nozzle)
24937343 / 24933402
12
Shrikrishna Automobiles, Worli (NGV Nozzle)
24926837
13
H. Irani & Co, Lalbaug (NGV Nozzle)
24700016, 24719899
14
City Services, Prabhadevi (NGV Nozzle)
24360943
15
Gujrat Service Center, Arthur Road (NGV Nozzle)
23003311
16
National Petrol Co., Dadar (W) (NGV Nozzle)
24314915 / 24224449
17
Amar Auto, Matunga




Mahim to Khar

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
18
MGL, Bandra-Kurla Complex, Bandra (E) (NGV Nozzle)
66785000
19
Bharucha Auto Services, Mahim (NGV Nozzle)
24308719 / 24379083
20
Hind Auto, Mahim (NGV Nozzle)
24456595 / 24456745
21
Mecloid's Garage, S.V. Road Khar
26491992 / 26044480
22
Coco Bandra, S.V. Road Bandra (W)
26438606
23
Suburban Service Station, Bandra (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26416355
24
Three Star Service Center, Bandra Kurla Complex (NGV Nozzle)

25
New Bombay Auto, Link Road, Bandra (West) (NGV Nozzle)
26429318



Santacruz to Vile Parle

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
26
Prakash Automobiles, Juhu (NGV Nozzle)
26208576 / 26704209
27
Auto Pets, Santacruz (W) (NGV Nozzle)
56925027 / 28
28
Auto Care Centre , Vileparle (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26713698
29
Automobile Centre, Santacruz (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26114398 / 26132088
30
Excel Service Station - 1, Vile Parle (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26124643
31
Parekh Petroleum (Raj Auto), Vile Parle (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26175700 / 26179171
32
Patco Auto Service, Vile Parle (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26145358
33
Lakhbir Automobiles, Kalina (NGV Nozzle)
26525720 / 26525722 / 26548742
34
Santacruz BEST Bus Depot, Santacruz (W) (captive)
26613702 / 26614889 / 9320707443



Andheri (E)to Jogeshwari (E)

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
35
Bajarang Auto, Marol (NGV Nozzle)
56922904 / 03
36
I Carport, Sahar (NGV Nozzle)
26829353 / 26828093
37
Gurunanak Auto, Andheri (E)
26832451
38
Abhishek Service Centre, Chandivali (NGV Nozzle)
28578989
39
Gupta Automobliles, Kurla-Andheri Road (NGV Nozzle)
28515406 / 28511102
40
Pushpak Auto, Jogeshwari (E) (NGV Nozzle)
28515406 / 28511102
41
Marol Auto Service, Andheri (E) (NGV Nozzle)
28369412 / 28366141
42
Batra Brother, Sakinaka (NGV Nozzle)
28520010
43
Royal Service Station, Andheri (E) (NGV Nozzle)
28386319 / 28377197
44
Bon-Bon Service Centre, Andheri (E) (NGV Nozzle)
28576048 / 28570117
45
Majas Depot,Majas, JV Link Road (Captive)




Andheri (w) to Jogeshwari (w)

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
46
Jogeshwari Petrol Supply, Jogeshwari (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26793006
47
Mastakar Auto Services, Oshiwara (NGV Nozzle)
26741384 / 385/386/387
48
K. K. Brothers, Andheri (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26209388/ 26206220
49
Madhav Motor Stores, Andheri (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26282365 / 26280221
50
Mukund Super Services, Jogeshwari (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26784354
51
Patil service station, Andheri (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26288047 / 26241421
52
Oshiwara Service Station, Jogeshwari (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26788613
53
Parker Brothers, Andheri (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26395453 / 26395441
54
Jivan Service Centre, Andheri (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26743680 / 26743964
55
Vikram Auto, Andheri (W)
022-65015209, 26354837
46
Jogeshwari Petrol Supply, Jogeshwari (W) (NGV Nozzle)
26793006




Goregaon to Malad
Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
56
IBP Auto Services, Malad (W) (NGV Nozzle)
28823509 / 28885303
57
Carcare Centre, Goregaon (E) (NGV Nozzle)
56062444 / 56062445
58
Sachdeva Automobiles, Malad (W) (NGV Nozzle)
28822954 / 28827479
59
Goregaon Auto Centre, Goregaon (E) (NGV Nozzle)
26851984
60
Kapadia Brother, Malad (W) (NGV Nozzle)
28080355 / 28080980
61
Bharat Coaltar, Goregaon (E) (NGV Nozzle)
39526055
62
MGL-BEST Dindoshi Depot, (NGV Nozzle)
9324905492
63
Dindoshi Depot, Goregaon (Captive)

64
Goregaon-Oshiwara Depot,Goregaon (w) (Captive)





Kandivali to Bhayander
Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
65
Borivali Petrol Supply Co., Borivali (W) (NGV Nozzle)
28931839 / 28948779
66
Chamundi Petroleum, Kandivli (W) (NGV Nozzle)
28055618 / 28052890
67
Charkop Petroleum, Charkop (NGV Nozzle)
28684703 / 28684770
68
B.P. Kandivali (W) (NGV Nozzle)
56018576 / 28079734
69
Ketki Enterprise, Dahiser (E) (NGV Nozzle)

70
Dahisar Service Station, Mire-Road (NGV Nozzle)
28457820 / 28455692 / 28455212
71
Sai Service Centre, Bhayander (E) (NGV Nozzle)
28110505 / 28117787
72
Satya Shanti Auto Services, Dahisar (E) (NGV Nozzle)
28488380
73
Vasani Service Centre, Kashi Mira (NGV Nozzle)
32516181
74
Sairam Oil & Natural Gas Co., Borivali(E) (NGV Nozzle)
9320058892
75
MGL-BEST Magathane Depot, Borivali (E) (NGV Nozzle)
9967838382 / 9768299497
76
Poisar Depot, Kandivali (W) (Captive)

77
Magathane Depot, Magathane Bus Depot, Borivali (E) (Captive)
28864317 / 93222145225


Harbour Line




Masjid Bunder to Cotton Green

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
1
Gill Auto Service, Cotton Green (W) (NGV Nozzle)
23718405 / 23780462
2
Cotton Green Service Station, Cotton Green (W) (NGV Nozzle)
23725282 / 23719516
3
Universal Motors, Mazgaon (NGV Nozzle)
23713417 / 23719830
4
Amar Automobiles, Wadi Bunder (NGV Nozzle)
23754670 / 23774307
5
Ghanshyam Automobile, Wadibunder

6
Hind Auto , Dongri (NGV Nozzle)
23778962/63
7
Royal Auto, Bhendi Bazaar (NGV Nozzle)
23778487 / 23741567
8
R B Traders, Dockyard Road (NGV Nozzle)
23774576 / 30930068
9
AD Adhjania, Raja Ram Mohan Roy Road (NGV Nozzle)
23821606



Chembur

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
10
Chembur Service Station, Chembur
25226528
11
Radiant Petroleum, Chembur
25612626 / 30942690
12
N H T C, Chembur
25224244
13
Diamond Auto Service, Chembur (NGV Nozzle)
25297420 / 55993330
14
Hind Automobiles, King's Circle (NGV Nozzle)
24096544
15
Shalimar Auto, Chembur (NGV Nozzle)
55951444 / 25204144
16
Shree CNG, Chembur (NGV Nozzle)
55989331/ 55973276
17
Sanjeev Service Station, Deonar (NGV Nozzle)
25567777 / 25563899
18
MGL BEST Deonar (NGV Nozzle)
9320357792
19
Deonar Bus Depot, Deonar (Captive)




Dadar to Wadala

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
20
Satguru Automobile, Wadala (NGV Nozzle)
24135256 / 24189595
21
Uganda Service Station, Wadala (NGV Nozzle)
24128786 / 24125752
22
Indus Filling station, Wadala (NGV Nozzle)

23
City Gate Station, Sion (NGV Nozzle)
24074748 / 24012461
24
Lucky Auto, Sion (NGV Nozzle)
56629296 / 56629297
25
Auto Care Centre, Sion (E) (NGV Nozzle)
24018045
26
Pratiksha Nagar Depot, Sion (Captive)
24081604
27
Anik Bus Depot, Sion (Captive)
24077186 / 24074445 / 24074432
28
Wadala Depot, Wadala (Captive)




Navi Mumbai

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
29
Vashi Fuel Centre, Sector-14 (NGV Nozzle)
9322408106
30
Palm Beach CNG Station (NGV Nozzle)
9819195111
31
Gourav Gas Station, Nerul (NGV Nozzle)
27723836 / 9821420064
32
Raj Auto, Turbhe (NGV Nozzle)
9820180784 / 9920494546
33
Vashi Petroleum (NGV Nozzle)
27889329
34
MGL- NMMT Turbhe Station (NGV Nozzle)

35
NMMT Turbhe depot (Captive)

36
BPCL Outlet Sector 19, Khargar (NGV Nozzle)
27872442
37
MGL CGS, MIDC Taloja

38
BPCL Outlet CIDCO Belapur (NGV Nozzle)

39
Dashmesh Automobiles, Sanpada
9820025569
40
Gurukripa auto service, Sanpada
27754367, 9820047635
41
Panvel fasteners limited, Kalamboli

42
Mansha Auto Services, Panvel
022-65243113, 9820883314




Central line


Masjid Bunder to Parel

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
1
Patel Brothers, Byculla (NGV Nozzle)
23081778 / 23097227
2
Golden Auto Service, Byculla (W) (NGV Nozzle)
23722789 / 23723106
3
Shetkari Sahakari Sangh Ltd., Parel (E) (NGV Nozzle)
24126872
4
American Auto Supply, Byculla
23725108
5
Hind Auto, Parel (NGV Nozzle)
24128270 / 24128681



Kurla

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
6
Dashmesh Automobile, Kurla (W) (NGV Nozzle)
24015833 / 32992884
7
Bright Brother, Kurla (W.) (NGV Nozzle)
28514182
8
Mahavir Auto Services, Kurla (W)(NGV Nozzle)
26505528 / 26549672
9
M T A, Kurla (W) (NGV Nozzle)
25034853 / 25033680
10
Janseva Petrol Service Station, Kurla (W)
38039087
11
Samrudh Auto, Kurla (W) (NGV Nozzle)
25165858 / 25109988



Vidyavihar to Vikhroli

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
12
Highway Automobiles, Ghatkopar (W) (NGV Nozzle)
25000162 / 25001161
13
Vikhroli Automobiles, Vikhroli (W) (NGV Nozzle)
25781755 / 25786069
14
Bharat Garage, Ghatkopar (W) (NGV Nozzle)
2513613 / 25115756
15
Western Petroleum, Vikhroli (W) (NGV Nozzle)
25780083 / 55969644
16
Dinesh Auto, Ghatkopar (W)
25004753 / 25000257
17
Star Service Center, Ghatkopar.

18
Gulati Service Center, Vikhroli (W) (NGV Nozzle)
25171220 / 25175227



Bhandup to Mulund

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
19
Kaka Automobiles, Bhandup (W) (NGV Nozzle)
25948163 / 25940529
20
Mahaveer Auto, Bhandup (W) (NGV Nozzle)
25612626
21
Radha Rama Petroleum, Bhandup (W) (NGV Nozzle)
022-25115756
22
Zojwala Petroleum, Mulund (W) (NGV Nozzle)
25681804 / 25681804
23
Global Automobiles, Mulund (W)
25695344
24
Mulund Depot, Mumlund (W) (Captive)




Thane

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
25
Jaimal Singh Automobiles, Teen Hath Naka (NGV Nozzle)
25829351 / 25823186
26
Universal Service Centre, Majiwada Chowk(NGV Nozzle)
25345589 / 25343063
27
Laxmi Automobiles, Ghodbunder Road (NGV Nozzle)
25894289 / 25894355
28
Ganesh Auto, Manorpada
25479993 / 25472779
29
Radha Kishan Lalchand, Naupada
25421803
30
United Motors, Naupada
25362125
31
Aiki Auto,Wagle Estate, Thane (NGV Nozzle)
9867411411
32
TMT Bus Depot, Wagle Estate (Captive Outlet)
9323198734
33
MGL-TMT Depot, Wagle Estate
9224370066
34
MGL MSRTC, Khopat (NGV Nozzle)

35
MSRTC Khopat (Thane) (Captive)

36
Hind CNG Filling Station, Kongaon, Bhiwandi
02522-322077/ 9619096511
37
Manas Gas Station, Bhiwandi
02522-656677
38
Virani Auto, Mumbra
25354145
39
Namaskar Petroleum, Bhiwandi
9920050377
40
Gurukripa Automobiles, Shilphata
99820086280



Kalyan-Badlapur

Sr.No
Name Of The Outlet
Contact Number
41
CGS Ambernath







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I recently got CNG kit (Lovato sequential) installed in my pre worshipped ANHC. The tuning has been done to perfection. Though i am facing a small problem.
The Fuel indicator level(petrol) dips even when the car is running on CNG.

Now the Fuel indicator shows "E"(Empty) with more than half a tank of Petrol.

My installer said this is a common problem with I-Vtec's. Is this true??

Any suggestions.
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I recently got CNG kit (Lovato sequential) installed in my pre worshipped ANHC. The tuning has been done to perfection. Though i am facing a small problem.
The Fuel indicator level(petrol) dips even when the car is running on CNG.

Now the Fuel indicator shows "E"(Empty) with more than half a tank of Petrol.

My installer said this is a common problem with I-Vtec's. Is this true??

Any suggestions.
This can't be I vtec problem because even civic has I vtec engine and doesn't have this problem when working on cng. Also city is available in cng and such thing is not reported in them also . Check with your installer.
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This can't be I vtec problem because even civic has I vtec engine and doesn't have this problem when working on cng. Also city is available in cng and such thing is not reported in them also . Check with your installer.
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Hi Saurabh,
The installer is same as yours.
The explaination given by him says "The fuel gauge in ANHC ivtec is driven by the distance covered by the car, and not like the traditional ones(float)." Is it true??
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Hi Saurabh,
The installer is same as yours.
The explaination given by him says "The fuel gauge in ANHC ivtec is driven by the distance covered by the car, and not like the traditional ones(float)." Is it true??
Well seems to be something is a miss.. If Honda in their CNG version of City don't have this problem then why should any other I vtec has it? Civic also uses the same technology still the fuel meter doesn't drop when run on CNG.. Also in that case you should have to manually fill up the amount of petrol you have added after every fill up because the system mentioned by you is used in Scangauge and after every fillup I've to update scangauge with amount of fuel I've filled.
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The CNG version of the New city also has this problem. The petrol indicator goes to empty when the car runs on CNG.

I mean the CNG variant launched by Honda.

My cousin has just bought CNG City V MT which has this issue. When contacted Honda they say it's normal.

Petrol indicator goes to empty and the petrol warning light stars blinking when running on CNG even when there is more than half tank petrol.

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Hi Saurabh,
The installer is same as yours.
The explaination given by him says "The fuel gauge in ANHC ivtec is driven by the distance covered by the car, and not like the traditional ones(float)." Is it true??
False.
What if the car is just left Idling for long without any movement ? won't the fuel gauge come down ?
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Can somebody recommend a good CNG installed in Delhi NCR? I plan to install the same in my Accent GLE.
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Hi,

This is my first post on BHP, so please excuse me if I break any forum rules.

Can anyone recommend a good CNG installer in Navi Mumbai/Mumbai.
I have been reading all CNG related threads on team-bhp, and have realized how important it is to get a quality installer.

I have called quite a few places to get quotes. I have a Hyundai i20 Magna (2009). These are the quotes I got from the installers I called -

Dashmesh Impex (Vashi) - 46K for Sequential Bugatti Kit. Never heard of this kit nor was I able to find a car on bhp with this kit. The guy from Dashmesh was pretty knowledgeable, He said that Bugatti is an Argentinian kit which is made by a guy who left Tomasetto Achille. He also went on to say that the ECM
for all major CNG kits are made by an Italian company called AEB.

Car Kraft (Vashi) - 55K for Sequential BRC Kit. The guy I spoke to (Haymen) does OEM fitment for Honda City's. I asked him why so expensive, to which his reply was "abhi 55 hai, next week tak 60 ho sakta hai".

Fortune CNG (Vashi) - They have three brand offerings -
Chinse stuff - 45K for sequential
Lovato - 50K for sequential
OMVL - 55k for sequential + 2 years warranty

Green Globe (Mulund/Vashi) - I spoke to a lady attendant who offered me a choice between open and closed loop systems. Price for both was around 30-35K. She said they have Greco kits, which I realized after reading a few threads here is their in house rebranded kit.

Suraj Auto Gas (Bandra) - Based on the numerous good reviews here, I decided to give them a call and see. I people I interacted with were very professional and sounded extremely competent. They are giving a Lovato sequential kit for 51.5K.

Out of these installers, I find Dashmesh and Suraj Autogas to be very good based on my interation with them and online reviews.

It would be great if others could shed some light on CNG installers in Navi Mumbai

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