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Old 12th November 2011, 21:05   #1
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I have come across following promotion and feeling little quirky.
How do I get to know more authentic details in this regard ?
I thought of T-Bhp as most authentic so this thread .

please help me and others like me to get enlightened.
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Old 12th November 2011, 21:36   #2
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Scam, on the face of it.

Use battery to breakdown water into Hydrogen and Oxygen and burn it in the chamber. But, however, the process could be energy neutral - energy released by burning H and O will be same as the energy required to split up water into H and O.

At least, nice to know that the "ramar phenomenon" is not limited to India.
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More material to support the fact that this is a scam:
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The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it.
Oxyhydrogen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Electrolysis of water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Water-fuelled car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 12th November 2011, 22:20   #4
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Some more info on this scam-

Run your car on water? - it's a scam!

Scientific proof debunking the "run your car on water" scams

Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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That would be the end of petro dollars. This is pure hoax and one way to ruin your car. If this thing works he'll make it to the Forbes Top Ten Billionaires list.
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Scam, on the face of it.

Use battery to breakdown water into Hydrogen and Oxygen and burn it in the chamber. But, however, the process could be energy neutral - energy released by burning H and O will be same as the energy required to split up water into H and O.

At least, nice to know that the "ramar phenomenon" is not limited to India.

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That would be the end of petro dollars. This is pure hoax and one way to ruin your car. If this thing works he'll make it to the Forbes Top Ten Billionaires list.


calling it a hoax is a little too harsh - the thing is actually fun, provided you read with the right mindset

to quote from the article:


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" Simple Water Fuel will show you how to use a little electricity our of your car battery, to separate water into a gas called "HHO". HHO means 2 parts Hyrogen and 1 part Oxygen. HHO is also called Brown's Gas or Hydroxy. It's a gas that burns beautifully, providing HEAPS of energy and the end product is just water! In fact Mobile Magazine said: "HHO provides the atomic power of Hydrogen, while maintaining the chemical stability of water."
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"HHO gas is 3 times more potent than gasoline."

"Brown's gas or hydroxy" "atomic power" "HHO gas"


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Hahaha, makes for some good reading, but its definitely a scam. This was busted on a recent episode of MythBusters.

In any case I don't think HHO can exist - assuming that means the bonding is H-H-O. Since that would require Hydrogen to make two bonds, which I don't believe it ever does. (Even though electron-deficient compounds exist, diborane being the standard example, but it's a unique case where the electrons around the boron are moving in such a way that the hydrogens can sort of hitch a ride).
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Apart from the fact that hydrogen requires a modified engine to burn, you will be endangering your self as the gas is explosive (remember the famous Zeppelin fire), which is why it has not been adapted for propulsion yet, though some research on hydrogen fuel cells is on.
Hydrogen generated while charging is one of the reasons for keeping lead acid batteries in a well ventilated location, else accumulated hydrogen in an enclosed space will explode.
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@Jeeper I doubt he is talking about H-H-O. Seems to be H2O- good old steam

So essentially this guy is blowing steam up everyone's...well you get the picture!
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Hydrogen will nave a tough time burning in IC engines. Also storage is a big problem. I have seen hydrogen storage containers on discovery channel. The storage is an engineering marvel which will cost as much as some of our luxury cars in india. Well on the other hand , water to run the car , i am sure the "price of water will go up"
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First of all sorry for being late to join back.

It's very nice to have so much educated opinion in a jiffy.
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Scam, on the face of it.

Use battery to breakdown water into Hydrogen and Oxygen and burn it in the chamber. But, however, the process could be energy neutral - energy released by burning H and O will be same as the energy required to split up water into H and O.

At least, nice to know that the "ramar phenomenon" is not limited to India.
I doubt whether it will be energy neutral. No process is 100% efficient.

What I do know is that in the early 1980's water injection was a rage. It improved consumption dramatically, but it consumed water amounts comparable to fuel, and was found quite corrosive for the engine. So went out pretty fast.
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I have seen a few bikes and cars installed with this. They install this electrolysis kit which generates h2o2 and this gas is injected on the air filter in real time. The power source is simply the battery/dynamo of the vehicle with a 100/200 ml of water.

Heard a maruti 800 which was giving 18kmpl improved to 25 kmpl with this setup.

Also a TVS XL super which used to give 50 kmpl giving 90+ kmpl with this setup.

Ofcourse I havent validated it but the source of this information is quite believable.

The above is just the information I heard from a person I know but I had seen the install in person.
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