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Old 4th January 2012, 15:01   #1
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I want to buy a SS80 and plonk a engine behind the front seats and make it a rwd pocket rocket. Was considering a baleno engine, I need some advice to go about with it? and whether it is worth it?
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Considering that the ss80 would be atleast 20 years old, all its spares, parts and joints would be in a very weak state. Hell, I know of a friend who had to weld its chassis a couple of yrs back.

Plonking a big engine in an SS80 will be like Naseerudin Shah trying to pick up Vidya Balan and run.

Think twice before going for the mod.
If you are serious, why not pick up a used baleno and mod it extensively. U should get the desired results.
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Possible only if the body shell is capable of handling the massive Baleno engine. Instead of SS80 why don't you try with pre 1998 M800?
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I was considering the SS80 because i think its the best looking 800.

I was searching the net for mid-engined rwd marutis and came across this!

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Any advice on how the baleno gearbox will work in this situation? because the gearbox will be needed in front of the engine and not the behind.
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Any advice on how the baleno gearbox will work in this situation? because the gearbox will be needed in front of the engine and not the behind.
Any reason that you need the GB in front?
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Wasn't there a red colored DC designed 800 called "BTS", it was a mid-engined vehicle.
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You are talking about a rear engined RWD. A mid engined car will have the engine mounted longitudinally with a prop shaft going to the diff at the back which transfers the power to the rear wheels.

A rear mounted engine can be done easily; the major jobs being the rear wheel hub and suspension setup, tranny shift linkage adaptation and mounting the engine with a proper driveshaft angle.

Doing a mid-engine longitudinal-style build is another ballgame altogether.
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I was considering the SS80 because i think its the best looking 800.
I was searching the net for mid-engined rwd marutis and came across this!
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Hi, interesting project. The link does not seem to be working though.

Rear transverse mounting is what the pics show - it's easier.

Mid longitudinal mount - doubt if space is enough to do it.

Question also about weight distribution on the F&R axles. What would be the effect on steering?
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@ SS-Traveller - Weight is going to be concentrated entirely on the rear axle only. Hence one can expect the steering to be lighter in all respects.
@ Mirage - This project is simply interesting. All the best. But take enough care to oversize the braking system as well, because you overpower the engine now. And M800 brake system is really pathetic without boosters. Also you need stiffer springs in the rear. May I ask you if it is just for a hobby activity or an academic project work.
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...expect the steering to be lighter in all respects.
...brake system is really pathetic...
A pocket-rocket with bad steering and brakes. Just the point I was getting to. Still looks like a worthy project?
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A pocket-rocket with bad steering and brakes. Just the point I was getting to. Still looks like a worthy project?

itll be an understeering monkey!!
but I hope this develops, and you are able to iron out steering and braking!
What are you plonking in the back, baleno heart?

Would be a rocket off the signals!!
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This is going to be a disaster if nothing is done for the front weight distribution. The car is going to liftoff and steering it will be mission impossible. The lambo mura was the first mid engined car and they had put the fuel tank up front to distribute the weight, no points for guessing what would happen if the car is low on fuel. This project is just a waste of time and the end result is going to be a car which goes like a concord and trirs to take off as soon as its floord. In openion buy a ss80 plonk the esteem engine and gearbox put a lsd and have fun. Do remember to put a rollcage as well.



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Any reason that you need the GB in front?
Sorry, I meant the tranny shift linkage.

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You are talking about a rear engined RWD. A mid engined car will have the engine mounted longitudinally with a prop shaft going to the diff at the back which transfers the power to the rear wheels.

A rear mounted engine can be done easily; the major jobs being the rear wheel hub and suspension setup, tranny shift linkage adaptation and mounting the engine with a proper driveshaft angle.

Doing a mid-engine longitudinal-style build is another ballgame altogether.
Thanks, Your right, Just the post i was looking for

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Hi, interesting project. The link does not seem to be working though.

Rear transverse mounting is what the pics show - it's easier.

Mid longitudinal mount - doubt if space is enough to do it.

Question also about weight distribution on the F&R axles. What would be the effect on steering?
Try this link - http://www.1-na-1.com/1na1racing/pre...oki/david.html


Came across a video of his rear engine rwd maruti vs a swift

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A good suspension setup will take care of the handling issues. Or you'd think all Porsche 911s would be understeering monkeys lol. People have done it before.

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