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Old 11th January 2017, 10:55   #16
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So this was a 2006 issue? The whole ordeal you went through was around 10 years ago? I'm just asking because everyone's going ape about RC in this thread and other one as well. Just trying to piece together in what era this happened.
RC was not even established in 2006. If you actually read, you will find that the post is about a lot of outfits including but not limited to RC.

If I was charged 30000 rupees for a manifold that leaked fuel or learnt that somebody stuffed aluminum shims in my brake calipers I would most certainly go ape.
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I had plans to turbo charge my new Baleno.
You have such a nice, sorted hatchback. Why mess with it? If you want a turbo-charged hatchback, buy one that's blown from the factory (upcoming Baleno boosterjet, Abarth Punto or a CRDI one).

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Factory horses are expensive because of expensive R&D. Also major part of the cost goes to the process that they painstakingly setup. Process is expensive!
Not really. Who do you think will get a better price? A manufacturer buying 10,000 turbos, or a lone man buying a single turbo & importing it?

A good after-market turbo install costs you 2.5 - 3 lakhs? That's pretty much the price difference between the erstwhile Punto 1.4 & the mighty Abarth...a car that has more than just a turbo bolted on.

Apples to apples, when Fiat launched the Linea T-Jet, it had a premium of 1.3 lakhs over the 1.4L n/a. Find me a good turbo install for that much.

Even in cases where it is more expensive, that's the price you pay for reliability, warranty & emissions-compliance.

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I still wonder how the tunerís car runs well and not the customer cars?
If a tuner's car has issues, he obviously won't talk about it. Customers, however, won't sit quiet.

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If at all, I'll hunt for a "used" true performance car, pay a little premium compared to regular variants and enjoy ripping those. Or at the max a re-map should make me smile all the way.
Get a used Octavia, Jetta, Laura, Punto Abarth, Polo 1.6 TDI, S-Cross 1.6 etc. and leave the unreliable 'tuned' cars in the dust.

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Reading through the posts, there was no need to hide the tuner's name. You should definitely call out who does a good job and louder when someone doesn't! It's after all your money. If they are incapable of doing a job, they should not commit in the first place.


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Oh, trust me on this! The Skoda is an enthusiast's wet dream, but thanks, I read enough sh*t about them to keep myself sane!
As incorrigible as Skoda's after-sales is, I'd rather deal with them than a tuner who thinks he's the next-best thing to happen to the auto industry after Karl Benz.

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So this was a 2006 issue?
I guess it's been an ongoing ordeal. One of his emails is marked 2016.
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I have stopped advising folks here against using these roadside tuners.

There is NO POINT. Because folks will continue using them.

The best way is to get them to learn this the HARD WAY by losing their money, time and getting a damaged car in return along with a fantastic feeling of being cheated.

That will D R I V E the point home like nothing else.
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I have stopped advising folks here against using these roadside tuners.

There is NO POINT. Because folks will continue using them.

The best way is to get them to learn this the HARD WAY by losing their money, time and getting a damaged car in return along with a fantastic feeling of being cheated.

That will D R I V E the point home like nothing else.
Fully Agree with you.

Most of them are just "car guys" who teamed up together and call themselves as most experienced and reputed "tuners".

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A good after-market turbo install costs you 2.5 - 3 lakhs? That's pretty much the price difference between the erstwhile Punto 1.4 & the mighty Abarth...a car that has more than just a turbo bolted on.
When I got my Indica, The indica Turbo came in two variants
Turbo DLS ( Base indica + Turbo) + 10 bhp Premium 15K
Turbo DLG ( DLS + Intercooler + bigger wheels, discs, brakes, power windows, heater, foglamps, defogger ) + 7bhp - Premium another 15K over the DLS

I don't know if tata was selling it at a loss - aftermarket power windows alone would have cost as much!
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in your defence you can discount the painting, tyres and the HASS numbers as regular maintenence that any old car owner has to pay anyway
Yes. May be I have paid in bulk to get everything changed in one shot.
Coming back point of factory horses(esp i cases of german cars its a marriage between customer and dealership), I have a thought about process of maintaining them. Given the particular case of Honda ass at Hosur Road, the demographics played a major part in spoiling the service experience. the 15-20km stretch of this road has every manufacturer present with service stations. So perfect place for mechanics and SAs to swap jobs. Instances are aplenty they swapped in batch of more than one person leaving the service center. So i am thinking what played a role in properly handing over service request on my vehicle. Did the established process come to rescue. Probably not. Overload, targets, high rentals, played part in bending the process and recruiting the next door sweeper as next mechanic. This happens in many places. Youtube for 'stealership'.
Following example shows example of the problem
https://www.ericthecarguy.com/etcg1/...hip-experience

Dakshin Honda never bothered to call or do any sort of analysis on the issue. I have managed to get contact of parts manager. So now i plan to pre order the part before i plan for maintenance or replacement. (do analysis myself/BW or someother place on the problem). He is super responsive and patient to find the status of inventory. I have checked availability of some parts although didn't go there to change them. But if the need comes, i will make sure the part is ready and available for repairs so that they don't get chance to 'steal'.
Toyota has somehow mastered the act of balancing process and people and skills. Backed by excellent parts quality (not recent) customers can rejoice. So over dependence on process has a big problem. Process cannot train anybody into a good mechanic. So are heroes reliable, Convenient? No job card, no checklist, just call and go and get job done. But if anything goes wrong, there is a possibility of blame game. No one might be in a position to give benefit of doubt. Always give benefit of doubt to the customer.
In my dealing with BW, based on some improvement ideas, i made checklist myself of things to be done at BW. Parts were mostly covered. Higher level points were covered in bullets to see engine works.
I made a return checklist, I made sure all the parts used, new, replaced are either in the car or in the boot. Joe was personally in charge of making sure the parts are in place. I even made sure that the remaining insulating tape, after usage, is returned to me.
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Thank you for sharing these details. The aftermarket parts industry abroad is a hit and miss too but not as bad as this. This one is blatant misuse of a customers machine.

From personal experience there is this huge mess in jeep mechanics. Our regular mechanic got bitten by the offroad bug which results in customers being delayed and worse thrown out in the sun, while he fixes offrad bound jeeps. Least he could do is don't accept new customers.

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The air filter is now out. It was washed by me using pressure washer(enthusiastically) and damaged the filter material. I have replaced it with another smaller K&N air filter. I did consider other makes like HKS, AEM, some unknown brands. Finally decided to get trusted K&N. Ordered it on Amazon and the friend who was supposed to pick that up left US before it could reach. So that's now wasted. So settled with OLX sourced K&N. It was relatively less used and had a flange to adapt to its fairly big mouth. so push fitted that to the existing intake pipe. The far end is not clamped to frame since i want to isolate for the buzzing noise that has been annoying for some time. Also the front light clamps are broken. Since i depend on my Hellas mostly, postponed the purchase of headlights.
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A comparison of the old vs new pads. Mintex (TMD friction company) has superior friction compound. But the size is relatively small and i have renewed to OE nissins along with Brembos. Nissins are much cheaper. The combination gives good braking.
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Kutlee, rather unfortunate to read about your struggle and the many issues you faced. I too went through at least one engine and one turbo kit with a tooner in Delhi. When I shifted to blore, I had my swift redone with an engine upgrade and a new turbo setup. Been 5 years now with no problems whatsoever. Let me know via pm if you'd like to consult with my tuner.

Wish you all the best with your future endeavors with modifying, don't lose hope
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